Your PBS Tax Dollars Hard at Work – Promoting Anti-Catholic Bigotry In Boston

Phil Saviano : Margery Eagan : Mitchell Garabedian : Michael Rezendes : Martha Coakley

Publicly funded haters (l to r): BishopAccountability's Phil Saviano, dissident Margery Eagan,
contingency lawyer Mitchell Garabedian, the Boston Globe's egomaniac Michael Rezendes,
and former Mass. AG Martha Coakley

It was 65 years ago when political thinker Peter Viereck first wrote, "Catholic-baiting is the anti-Semitism of the intellectuals."

That aphorism was fully ablaze the other night when the left-wing talk show Greater Boston, airing on Boston PBS television station WGBH, devoted a half hour under the pretense of discussing the death of Cardinal Bernard Law to brutally attacking the Catholic Church with ugly falsehoods and outright bigotry.

Greater Boston is hosted by Jim Braude, a veteran broadcaster whose thirst to attack the Catholic Church is only outweighed by his own sense of self-importance. And Braude made sure to round up a reliable stable of like-minded Church-bashers who would be sure to hammer the Church over decades-old sex abuse cases. Braude's panelists included:

Jim Braude : WGBH

Carnival barker/host Jim Braude
directs a bigoted assault

And Braude's guests surely kept the hate flowing, with panelists taking turns predictably blaming the abuse scandals on the "all-male priesthood" and the "power structure" of the Church. Saviano chirped that "if there had been a few women in those rectories, there wouldn't have been half the problems we ended up with." (Note to Saviano: Women have been running parish rectories for at least the past 50 years.)

Yet the worst may have come from Garabedian, who, in addressing abuse in the Catholic Church decades ago, raged, "The Church has been doing this for centuries; they've been raping kids at a wholesale pace for centuries; it's a trillion dollar business."

After nearly 25 minutes more of this echo chamber of hate, Coakley unleashed a line which one could only imagine she had been waiting the entire episode to deliver: "This is an institution where they still dress as they did in the 15th century. So what do you expect?" Classy, eh? And this is from a former Attorney General, who is supposed to be fair and impartial.

Double … standard

Step back for a moment. Imagine if a guest on a television program had said that Muslims, Buddhists, or Jews had been "raping kids at a wholesale pace for centuries." Think about it. The rebuke would be rightfully fast and furious. The person who would utter such calumny would likely be fired and banished from mainstream media forever. The same applies for someone who would attack a religion because they "still dress as they did in the 15th century."

This is called "bigotry." But if the topic is the Catholic Church, it is only business as usual.

And the tragic irony here: You are forced to pay for all this through your tax dollars.

Comments

  1. Mark Taylor says:

    I think you were rather cruel towards Phil Savinao. You do realize he was a victim of clerical pehophilia, don't you?

  2. Jim Robertson says:

    Gee The oldest Christian religion connected to 7 Empires, at least, whose wealth was removed in tiny part, comparitively, by only one king in 2000 years, Henry VIII,and by barely 15% of compensated survivors of clerical sexual abuse ,is hated by intellectuals? I am appalled! How will you survive?

    All religion is looked on askance by rational people. So? You don't think evangelicals are mocked by smart people as much as, or even more so than the Catholic church? Poor poor you.

    Your faith loathes not being in control of everyone like in the good old days, the dark ages.

  3. Jim Robertson says:

    Jews, Buddhists, Anglicans, Jehovah's Witnesses have all been outted for child abuse in the media. You keep trying to created a Catholic persecution where there is none. Why do you need to be a fake victim while your real victims are ignored?

    What is wrong with you?

    • malcolm harris says:

      JR, on the 30th, asks what is wrong with us?. Implying that there is something wrong with our thinking… or our morals?  Well… introspection is something many Catholics do …perhaps too much. Some call it the…. "guilt complex". Meaning we tend to blame ourselves when something happens. Sadly this simply opens the door to cunning opportunists. Much to our ultimate cost.  JR, in an earlier post,  mentioned the wealth of the Church, and alluded to King Henry V111. Well the monasteries he stole, (amongst other things), represented the wealth of Church. But the land on which the buildings stood, originally had to be reclaimed from swamp or dense forest.The monks did it all by the sweat of their brow, with porridge for their fuel. By the way… I sometimes wonder how many dollars I would have to put into the Church collection plate… to make up for the million dollars… that JR got for his alleged molestation. It was his word agaist a teaching brother (no witnesses)…. guess who won? 

    • Dan says:

      Are you kidding, Malcolm? Catholics … "tend to blame ourselves when something happens". Just about every confessed catholic in this forum blames all your disgusting pedophile perversions on anyone besides your lying deceiving selves and your cult of sick hypocrites. It's the Boston Globes fault, the media, anti-catholics, bigots, witch-hunt, haters, etc.. Why must you think that we will accept your repetitive lies as if it is the truth. You deniers, perverts and deceivers refuse to repent, you are the unforgiven, so carry on, but don't think you'll escape the punishment of God's wrath. Keep throwing your money to protect the perverted criminals of your cult. I trust Jim's word over any of the creeps from your lying denying hierarchy of hypocrites, anytime. Crawl back in your hole, Malcolm.

    • marty says:

      Golly gee! I haven't seen any headlines or TV shows about the groups you mentioned! Especially on pbs , or the Boston globe , now that its in the "spotlight"!

  4. Dempsey Hunter says:

    “crank” Phil Saviano? I think his story has been covered rather extensively and proved not to be a crank. Far from it.

  5. marty says:

    Gee, looks like most of the posters should have been on the show too! When they pull their head out, and see that this is an effort to destroy the church, maybe they'll understand, but probably not. None of this is about the children, but just money. They're making money off an old issue. 50% of the lawyers are non-xtian. Other religions and institutions have this ongoing problem, yet hide their sins to protect their money. What do these stooges want? To have the church destroyed, with its catholic charities, and replace it with the satanic temple? Much better then? Ain't gonna happen!

  6. Jim Robertson says:

    Happy New year.

    Right Malcolm I was never sexually abused at school. I made it all up. Your share of the little I was paid, for what never happened, according to you, would add up to about 3 cents. You cheap lying bastard.

    Yes i said how little I was paid. Juries were giving out, justly, $4,000,000 on the average. Comparitively $1,000,000 was cheap.

    So getting due compensation is an attempt to destroy the church? Whose fault is that if true? Your Catholic childrens'? Why of course those little whores.

    You are shameless not blameless..

     Marty, Satan would blanch at your churches lies and your racism. There was one non-Christian.  i.e. Jewish,lawyer in L.A.,you anti-semitic turd. The majority thanks to the false flagged SNAP were in fact CATHOLIC lawyers. That's right CATHOLIC lawyers.

    Does anyone think I would choose a Catholic lawyer knowingly?

    And Marty why do you think Catholicism is any different from other corporate religions? You've tried to hide your sins and your money as well. That's why I and others could sue (in Calif.) your hierarchs transferring of pedophiles to more innocent children wasn't the kids doing.

    If there was a Satan and he had a temple that protected child molestors could he be any worse than your church's patriarchs?

    • marty says:

      Touchy, touchy about the money, so I doubt you went to catholic school! You should do better research, instead of calling people turds! You still haven't addressed why others are getting away with it with no real penalty. When you join the satanic temple, enjoy the perverted rituals, as you go on the road to have the flames of hell eternally lick your rectum,fool!

  7. Jim Robertson says:

    Phil Saviano was personally given around $15,000  by 3 L.A. victims, including me, after our settlements.

    Here's why: In the early '90's Phil was dying. He needed money to bury himself and he didn't want his burial to be a burden to his family.  He settled with the church for around $10,000 so he could be buried. His lawyer took 1/3 of that. Phil recovered.

    I personally organized the honoring of Phil for his early work, informing the Boston Globe for one, with some compensation. (I must share that an "x" nun who was a victim and promised to donate never dropped a dime. I still think she was a spy. She even lived with me for 2 months. Then poof she was gone from my home without a word.)  SNAP ran around with it's hands out for itself never ever for Phil or any other victim.

     

  8. Jim Robertson says:

    Why Marty such a sweet talker, you are.  Perhaps you'd like to lick a rectum?

    Flames of Hell? Show me. Joys of Heaven? Show me. If you prove either. I'll believe but aside from that happening. You've got nothing . No, you are, sadly, regurgitating childhood lies you were told by grown ups.

    I went to Catholic schools elementary through high school. First Ascension school less than a half block from my house. Started there in 52, I guess, I graduated in 1960. First or second in awards given to my class. I then went to Junipero Serra High school in Gardena Ca. Where I graduated at the bottom of my class in 1964.

    Gosh, I wonder what happened that would cause such a change in 4 years!

    Perverted rituals? Halloween was in Oct. Marty. And Baby Jesus just came and redeemed us all from the flames of hell. Yes the very same Hell he invented to punish us for the sins he supposedly died redeeming us from. What an idiotic construct! What an idiotic God.

    • marty says:

      Jim, glad you see Jesus came to redeem us. duality for you though. What, do you think like american atheists? "We know where we are going when we die: 6 feet under!". Well, good for you! You still haven't done your research. That's your problem! Sounds like you need a hobby! Perhaps woodworking. That can be relaxing. Sounds like you have a lot of venom. Remember, no one is perfect. Hey, those schools taught you how to read and write. Maybe you've gone to a catholic hospital, as well! The missionaries are educating the 3rd world! What have you done? The church has over a billion members. Pax, brother!

    • Jim Robertson says:

      Marty, I was parodying your myths. There's no proof Jesus ever existed.

       

  9. malcolm harris says:

    Dan, on the 1st, suggests that I should "crawl back into my hole".  Well…. that is just his anger and bigotry talking…  and not rational comment. He fails to see the real danger. The law has been deranged….. to take away the civil rights of a particular group…Catholic priests. Usually an unsupported accusation doesn't prove anybody guilty. Meaning that compelling evidence is needed …..to prove that a crime actually took place. This protection has seemingly been taken away from priests. Perhaps due to the moral panic… whipped up by a complicit media. Dan fails to see  that this could be extended to others, such as teachers and doctors. Any individual or institution with deep pockets could be targeted. Dan's bigotry blinds him to what is really happening. Basically a revolutionary justice has supplanted western justice…..not what I would call progress.

  10. Dan says:

    Malcolm, you're asking that "Catholic priests" deserve civil rights and fair "western justice"? Where was my justice? You think you excusers and deniers would be ashamed that hierarchy from your cult would falsely accuse someone several times, bring them to court, swearing to tell the truth, and immediately adding more lies in order to cause me more trouble. But NO! You only want justice for the sick nasty disgusting creeps of your cult, men that had no right to harm innocent children, mostly young boys. I believe I have some right to be angry with what lying priests, deceiving nuns, threatening thugs of the cult and corrupt catholic cops did to me. You and publiar have given me reason to research deeper into the sins of the cult, and finding how worldwide their perversions reached, which has added to my disgust with "the Church". With my background in the Bible, taught only by Jesus Christ and the prophets, I've come to realize how well "the Church" and what has become of it, matches perfectly with every disgusting description of a pagan, greedy, idol-worshipping, sexually immoral and cowardly group of liars. Call me whatever names you like (bigot, hater, anti-catholic, witch-hunt, etc.) and I will reserve the right to call your religion of anti-Christian, lying hypocrites whatever is just. Believe me, I would love to get revenge for the injustices done to me, but I will leave that work to my Father, and He promises justice will be done. None will escape His judgments.

  11. Amateur Brain Surgeon says:

     

     

     

    TMR does an exemplary job of responding to hatred and bigotry and the response to that defense of the Church is anger and hatred.

    TMR is expected to just clam-up and take the hate because the unjust attacks and hatred are considered some form of jutsice by those whose visceral hatred of the Church is palpable.

    Would those who are riven with enmity please tell us how many years of unust attacks against Holy Mother Chruch will be considered sufficient justice.

    ABS can see that only the complete destruction of the Universal Church might satisy the haters – but- no; that would not be enough for them, would it? 

    When oit comes to the hatreed of some in here, the hatred is without limit when it comes to size, intensity, and duration.

    Well, that is one way to live out one's life…

    • marty says:

      Indeed!

    • Jim Robertson says:

      You want a time limit on our sex abuse damages, Amatuer? Well so do I.

      Let me know when my pain from that abuse ends. Let me know when the damage stops.

       

    • Dan says:

      Whoa!! ABS, might be good for you to apply the brakes. You think the hatred of the horrible sins of your church is unjust? Oh really!?! Then I guess you catholics really don't know how the Almighty feels about sin, now do you. "But your iniquities have built barriers between you and your God, and your sins have made Him hide His face from you so that He does not listen."  Isaiah 59:2  "Yes, even though you multiply prayers, I will not listen." Isaiah 1:15

      Add excuses, denials and lies, in order to hide and minimize your horrific sins from the Almighty, and all you've done is piled on more sin to the disgusting sins you already had. "Your hands are the hands of murderers, and your fingers are filthy with sin. Your lips are full of lies, and your mouth spews corruption. No one cares about being fair and honest. The people's lawsuits are based on lies. They conceive evil deeds and then give birth to sin." Isaiah 59:3-4

    • Dan says:

      My fight is not against Roman Catholics. My fight is against a false pagan religion that has brainwashed it's followers into thinking that they are practicing a belief system that will lead them to eternal life, when truly it is the evil work of Satan himself, deceiving and lying to the masses. When the works of the leadership of a religion, amount to the ultimate in greed, idolatry, pedophilia and pederasty, cowardice and compulsive lying, you better believe it is not the religion or belief system that is sanctioned by the One Holy and Pure God. Attack me and blame me all you like, and all you're doing is adding fuel to your own fire. Your cult is not some holy pure clean and horribly persecuted church. Instead your followers find some sick joy in lying and persecuting others. Gathering of hypocrites fighting against God's Faithful. You are truly the bigots and lying haters of the world.  servant of the Almighty

      P.S. I find no joy in criticizing your church. I will find joy if my work helps one lost catholic come to know the truth and escape the lies and liars of this wicked cult. There is no selfish gain for myself, though some have even lied and accused me of that. Satan never sleeps.

  12. Jim Robertson says:

    Marty who exactly are these "others are getting away with it"? Can you name them? Just because the church might be conned should we/you believe that the majority of claims are a fraud?

    And Malcolm rape and sex abuse are crimes usually not witnessed by others. One can judge the veracity of a case, in part, by the personality change that happens after the crime occurs. By the damage the claiment has shown in their lives post such events. It's always there to see if you bother to look.Anyone who thinks that the Catholic or any church is above lying in these cases is a fool.

    I believe Dan was lied about.  Exaggerated about. The church has always got to play the persecuted, it rallies the troops. That's why TMR was invented.

    • marty says:

      Hey jimmy! Still haven't done your research, but don't expect me to do it for you! You are in a "catholic" ghetto mindset, and you don't want to get out of it! Unless you live in a vacuum, do you remember roman Polanski? The church doesn't have to play persecuted, because it is! The majority of cases, are questionable, as these people, as well as pbs, are looking for ongoing "reparations" forever, yet the Boston globe, in the "spotlight" now, completely disregards its own demands it made on the church, to sell newspapers, but not investigating itself! They should have it shoved down their throat, like they did to us.I know of a case, personally, where a priest was accused by a woman, but it was fluff. She was psycho, and mad that the priest wouldn't be associated with her, so tried to ruin him!!

         I'm glad tmr was invented! I seldom read it, but was incensed by the pbs situation, and still am! Even you must admit that the media stacks it against us catholics! But probably not

          Well, thanks for the sweet talker compliment! Hey, what about the woodworking hobby?

          Jim, these people view the church, like the s.s.a. annuity. They view the church as a large sum of money to be fleeced!

      Pax Marty – marty

    • Jim Robertson says:

      Marty Do you think real victims like fraud?  We are real victims trying to deal with people who think we are lying and worse criminal. You have had very very few fraudsters coming from our side in this scandal. Your side has its own frauds. Fr. Tom Doyle SNAP are not on our side. They are on your side and are our controllers.

      If you know people who defrauded the church, name them. We real victims don't like them either. "Questionable" who told you not to ask questions? Your lawyers, your insurors asked plenty of questions.  Marty you aren't well informed on the subject.

      Mumbo-jumbo rituals will not save any of us. We have no need to be saved from anything but religion and GOD, "himself". He invented Hell. He's a fking monster.

  13. malcolm harris says:

    Replying to Dan's comment, on the 2nd.  Well…. we get that he has written off the Catholic Church. He does not need to convince us any further of his personal animosity. However I do note his expressed personal lament for justice. Dare I sugget he consider joining another religion  Years ago met a young guy who was Salvation Army…  was genuinely impressed with him… and  also his family and friends. When we come down to facing this harsh world, we all need a support group…even the most proud of us. Unlikely that I would ever leave the Church that Christ himself started. But if I  ever did…. then I would join the Salvos.

    • Dan says:

      Malcolm, I appreciate the concern, if that is what this is. Do you think if I join some other false belief system, then that will keep me busy and distracted enough to leave your church alone? If you ever question a group or religion you'd like to join, it's as easy as adding 'fraud' to the end of your google search to find out what's going on with that group. I'm not sure why catholics need such a support group behind them, when the Word plainly states that, "the way to heaven is narrow and difficult and FEW will ever find it". Why are you under the impression that my life is lacking in something? I live a Spirit-filled life, Christ and God's Word has completely turned my messed up life around. Part of my payback to the Lord for what he has done for me is to let others know how kind, loving and forgiving He is. Believe me that this job is not one of my choosing, trying to open the eyes of the blind, the ears of the deaf and break through hardened brainwashed hearts of those encased in solid catholic lead. I am totally satisfied with the results I've obtained in this forum, because you all may be unaware, but they wouldn't listen to Christ either. What stubborn, hard-headed religious fanatics ever listened to the prophets Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel or Daniel? I surely don't place myself worthy of expecting more than what they got. When Christ sent the apostles out, he said he was sending them among wolves. "I have given you authority to trample on snakes and scorpions and to overcome all the power of the enemy; nothing will harm you." Luke 10:19  Believe me, I have run into plenty of vicious snakes and stinging scorpions in this forum alone. God has kept His promise that "nothing will harm [me]". I will keep mine.

    • Dan says:

      I know there will be those, I will not even mention by name, who will make the claim that my message isn't one of kindness, love or forgiveness. Before one can enjoy the gifts of the Lord, one must realize that they are wrong, be willing to turn from their past sinful lives, accept  Christ's sacrifice for the forgiveness of their sins and the One True Loving God will heal them. When you've hitched your wagon to a false religion of idol-worship, prefer to Hail Mary and believe that she's your source of mercy, life, sweetness and hope, well then the only message you're going to hear is the message of God's wrath. You are denying Christ as your one and only Savior and have replaced Him with his human mother, who never died for your sins. Until you figure that out you are in grave disobedience of God's Word, and you will never experience His kindness, love or forgiveness. And every time I try to explain these things to you, I will do so with great pain and sorrow in my heart, that you have been deceived into thinking that I am your enemy, when truly I am the only one here concerned for your eternal souls. Your church is only concerned with how much money they can steal from your wallets and purses, while laughing behind your backs as they pied-piper your souls towards Hell.

  14. Marty says:

    Dan, you sound like just another Catholic basher to me! Or a troll! You missed the point of Mary. Pray that she intercedes, not worship! Bigotry like yours belongs in Charlottesville. If you're spiritually happy, fine! I'm glad for you! But if you think the church is a moneymaking machine, then next time you have a heart attack, be sure to ask the cardiologist if he was trained at a catholic university, and refuse treatment, as they are only in it for the money. You reap the benefits of western civilization, as the church tamed the barbarian tribes of Europe and the world, but you want to destroy it! What have you done to help? Sounds like you might be a freeloader! – marty

    • Dan says:

      What is wrong with you brainwashed catholics? You go around throwing accusations at others hoping that something will stick. You talk trash that has no truth to it, while claiming to be a member of the One True Church. The only thing true about your church is that it is full of a bunch of lying, accusing hypocrites, and now your here to top the pile. The Bible plainly states that Christ is the ONLY mediator between God and man. How many of your false temples are named after your "Queen of Heaven"? You phonies are so used to lying that you think you can claim that you don't "worship" her, when truly it's just another of your many lies.

      I haven't needed any doctors for forty years. I had spine crippling arthritis and major depression for many years and have been totally healed by my Lord and Savior. I think your greedy catholic universities and hospitals have pumped out a slew of drug pushing snake oil doctors that lack in common sense and have no clue of the healing powers of God.

      Your last stupid accusation that I "might be a freeloader", knowing little or nothing about me, shows your lack of brains. Are you aware that Satan was known as the Accuser of the brethren. Welcome aboard the catholic express to Hell.  servant of the Almighty

  15. Marty says:

    Just a general comment to all that have left the church, due to what is being discussed here: if you live in the u.s., then I expect that all of you will leave someday, due to pres clintons sex abuse. If you had been in the military, you must be angry enough to leave, as you take an oath to defend him! Also, never watch a movie again, due to Weinstein, too. Too much for you? Come on! You are all claiming spirituality, yet can't bring yourselves to do simple temporal acts?

  16. Marty says:

    I'd just like to personally thank Dan and Jim, and the others who came on here! Thank you so much! Like I said, I seldom came on this website, but now I'll make every effort to. The church needs another voice on here, and I'll humbly try to do it! – marty

    • Dan says:

      Didn't you mean that the "church needs another [lying] voice on here"!?! Seems like you'll qualify just fine. Never have seen in any religion such a slew of compulsive lying accusing hypocrites. Did the church breed them after they succeeded so well in breeding deviant pedophiles and pederasts. You're cult is getting scarier, as more liars join the fray.

  17. Amateur Brain Surgeon says:

    Let me know when my pain from that abuse ends. Let me know when the damage stops.

    ABS can not imagine any man who would not be angry about the sex crimes that were committed agianst you but ABS thinks therapy and The Cross of Christ can be an answer to those like you who gravely suffered the sex crimes committed by queer clergy.

    Neither sodomites nor railers can attain unto salvation. Living with such hate is disfuring and destructructive. Yoo have to find a weay to forgive, not forget, but forgive.

    You must ask Jesus to save you from your visceral hatred; ASK Him

    Ask and He will answer

    Seek and ye shall find Him

    Knock and He will answer.

    Lay your hatred at the foot of the Cross and Jesus will help you carry your burden.

    There will come a time when you wil stand before the Judgment Seat of Christ and you do not want to stand before Him with your soul disfigured by hatred.

    There is no room in Heaven for souls weighed down by hatred. No, such souls which have an anchor of hatred attached to it will be dragged down into Hell where perfect hatred exists for eternity.

    Innocent victims do not have to bear their hated but they will if they refuse the free offering of Jesus to help you bear your Cross.

    May God Bless and Keep you and may He send The Holy Ghost upon you to lead you to the Cross where you can lay down your burden and afterwords walk in the peace of Christ that surpasses all understanding.

  18. Amateur Brain Surgeon says:

    Dan, It is clear you are a Judaised protestant who has internalsied the lies about the Church Jeaus established and called the pillar and ground of truth. One of the ways this can be seen is you quoting only from the Old Testament.

    Nobody ever said the Church did not conatin booth wheat and chaff, both sheep and goats but because you claim the church is an evil cult you are constrained to believe that Jesus Christ, Creator, Redeemer, and Saviour, is a far worse liar than Satan for it is He, Jesus, who estabsihed His Church you have such a vile hatred of.

    Good luck explaing yourself to Jesus when you stand before His judgment seat.

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    • Dan says:

      My guess is that you're directing both of these posts towards me. I have absolutely no harbored hatred for any of the liars, slanderers and false accusers who have attacked me from your church or in this forum. That doesn't mean I have to love their sins, anymore than I have to love the sins of your church. I'm not sure how catholics think that their greedy, idol-worshipping, sexually immoral, cowardly and lying cult can ever be the church established by Jesus Christ. You have a hierarchy of obese greedy slobs who not only teach followers to bow to statues, but even have them bowing and kissing their ring finger, as if they were Caesar himself. You claim this is not "worship". Your leaders molest and rape little boys and then do anything they can to deny their sin, all for the good of Holy Mother Church. Very few members live like Christ, but some are whacked enough to dress in black, grey or brown hooded capes and parade around, hiding in remote castles, like sons of dracula, thinking their isolation is Christ-like or displays holiness. What does it take for you people to open your eyes and realize that this is not Christ's church. You are not Christians whatsoever, and the ones claiming you are, are the same ones telling you that you don't "worship" statues, speaking lies as they lead you into Satan's grasp. You catholics have proven to me how difficult the process is to reverse the indoctrination of a religious cult. I'm not sure how you let such a group of horrible sinners brainwash and control you, while you buy into everyone of their lies and schemes. I can only feel sorry for you, it's so sad that I can't even hate you.  servant

    • Dan says:

      ABS, Please show me in the Bible where Jesus spoke any of the words that represent the major beliefs of your church. 1) Catholic 2) Pope 3) Rosary 4) Pray to my Mother 5) My Mother was sinless 6) My mother will assume into heaven 7) Make all kinds of idols and icons, crown them with gold 8) Make discs in the shape of the moon, but tell others you're not pagan sun worshippers 9) Call my mother "Queen of Heaven" bow to her. 10) My salvation is not good enough. You'll need my Mother's intercession. 11) Pray to My Mother over and over again, because the words I spoke in the Bible have no meaning. "Do not repeat your prayers as the heathen do." 12) Dress the outward person in beautiful satin, because My Father cares more what you look like than whats on the inside (heart, soul and mind).

      Sorry catholics, but you are not of Christ and you are not being taught anything close to what God and Christ wanted from His followers. You are controlled by greedy obese kings of this world who don't even know the difference between the worship of God and worship of statues made to look like dead human beings. You are idol-worshippers no matter how much you think you can deny it.   servant of the God of Truth

    • Dan says:

      Oops! Forgot lucky number 13) Burn incense in all of your pomp and circumstance ridiculous over the top celebrations. I believe it's written somewhere He said, "I hate your incense burning." Oh! Here, I found the quote. Not that it will do any good, 'cause you guys ignore God's Word.

      "Stop bringing meaningless offerings! Your incense is detestable to me. New Moons, Sabbaths and convocations– I cannot bear your worthless assemblies."  Isaiah 1:13

      Isn't it a joy to be catholic. We never have to listen the the Lord or His prophets. We only listen to our Holy Father. I mean, think about it? He can even protect and harbor child molesters. God refuses to do things like that. How much greater is our Father in Rome than God.

       

  19. Jim Robertson says:

    Jesus sucks! ABS you are a fool. Marty a low iq'd"peoples" clown.  People aren't supposed to leave the church right Marty?  Why because the church said so? Because Jesus said follow the church? All of it humbug. as phony as Santa. No proof = no belief, therefor no need for god.

    You want pie in the sky when you die? Groovy. The church has nothing to give me spiritually. emotionally or intellectually. You pretend there's an attack when people don't give you privilege even though none of your Bishops have gone to jail and you've barely compensated your victims. you yell persecution when  in fact your criminals have either been transferred  hidden; and or promoted . Persecution is the cover you wear as you get off criminally and financially  scot free. No mumbo jumbo hocus pocus can cover the truth. You don't like the truth because it interfers with your fancies.

    • Marty says:

      I can see you in "the exorcist" movie, holding a crucifix,

    • Marty says:

      The beginning of this paragraph, sounds like something right out of an al Goldstein interview. Maybe you wrote the notes for him.

  20. Jim Robertson says:

    When people talk about themselves in the third person like ABS does. I run for the hills.

  21. Dan says:

    Should be 'to' instead of 'the' the Lord.

  22. Marty says:

     

     

     

    Dan/Jim, I'm back to defend the church!  You might be the same troll, I don't know! Again, I'm a newbie here, and noticed that you are here long time. I never knew that the articles had comments, so you are long time bashers! After all the truthful articles, and wonderful comments, you're still ignorant! Big time! Which leads me to think you are "perfectly possessed"! I prayed for you yesterday, hope it does some good. That's ok, I've dealt with satanists before on yahoo, and your temple too! Jesus protects me from them. 

    Hey, again, I'm grateful to you, as you jogged a memory! I'm a victim of sexual harassment too! Not from the church, of course. Only happy memories, and grateful for the education I was privileged to receive. A reunion this year. Looking forward to it. 

        I don't know if the mods will let this thru. I'll tell you my harassment. It was many years ago, when I was starting adolescence. There was a political campaign. My friends mother was a precinct captain, but this was on our own. We went to an office to get flyers, and bumper stickers to hand out. The manager wanted to get us, individually alone in a room. And when he did, he "spanked" us. I was repulsed! We talked, and my friend said "that guy spanked me". I said same here, and said the guys a fruit, and never went back. Simple. Now this was one of the 2 major political parties in the u.s. But now that the memory is back, I can see that it was the cause of anything that went bad in my life. Sometimes I voted, and my choice didn't win. I've had physical operations, I don't get money back from income tax, parking tickets, etc. again  thanks to you, since you're the pro, maybe I need a lawyer. Not a steeplechaser, but a "dome" chaser. What do you think? The political parties are obscenely, fabulously wealthy, far more than the church! I don't know. Again I forgot all about it, and got on with my life, and didn't make it my religion, or constantly whine about it. 

     

     

     

    • Dan says:

      Marty (little) McFly, We all appreciated your childhood time travel story of so-called sexual harrassment, when handing out flyers, when the person in charge had to put a whooping to you and your dweeb twit friend, because you were still acting like a child. NOT SEXUAL HARRASSMENT.

      I've understood you're a bit dense from the nonsense you've contributed so far, and I'm glad you've grown up enough to realize that the great big web has articles that people comment to. Let me update and educate you, and you can let me know if I'm talking too fast. OK, Marty?

      Dan – Bible believing Christian – Love my God and am saved thru Christ His Son – victim of several habitual liars of the catholic cult – doubted by phony lying catholic hypocrites – heterosexual – I have had to pay over $2,000 dollars in fines to settle with the court for crimes I never committed, based on your cults lying hierarchy and corrupt lying catholic cops.

      Jim – Atheist – thinks "Jesus sucks" – doesn't believe that God exists – victim of real child molestation by a marianist teacher – doubted by phony catholic lying hypocrites – homosexual – Jim received a 1M dollar settlement that I feel he rightly deserved – The church can never pay enough to make amends for their horrific crimes against minor children, even though they think they've paid too much. PREPOSTEROUS!!   *Note to catholics – You'll never buy your way out of your sins, catholics.

      Does little Marty now understand that we are two very different people, total opposites. Before you go around calling people names, like "freeloader", you might want to go ask your mommy what the word freeloader means. OK? Maybe mommy can tell you that it's not nice to call people names when you have no clue what you're talking about. OK, little Marty?

  23. Marty says:

    Dan/Jim (con't) again, yes you're a freeloader, living off western civ. I'm looking forward to a long posting career to correct you! Unless they knock this site off, or you die and go "6 feet under" and that's all, or I die and go where God wants me to. You may think I'm the people clown, but you're the real "bozo"!  - pax Marty – come back home! – marty

  24. Publion says:

    From JR’s most recent crop we get only a repetition of some of his favorite points: a dodgy historical excursus regarding the Church / the epithetical bit about “all religion” being doubted by “rational people” (… JR?) / the effort to wave-away all the Stampede dynamics as merely Catholic attempts to deflect from the failings of the Church / lots of epithetical larding to cover the abyssal conceptual gaps in his claims.

    And then on the 2nd at 1040AM another extended repetition of his preferred-narrative as to his own experiences (or, rather, claims).

    Any reader can consult the record on this site to follow the twists and turns of whether JR was “sexually abused at school”, and when, and how, and how often, and by how many, and the war-induced whackness of one or more of the teaching Brothers at his high-school.

  25. Publion says:

    Continuing with my comment on JR’s of the 2nd at 1040AM:

    Adding – nicely – the bit about the “share” his claims cost every Catholic as working out to “about 3 cents” (so why quibble over so small an amount that his attorney somehow managed to snag for him?).

    He – or rather his attorney – managed to hook his story/claim  into the massive 500-plus plaintiff LA lawsuit of a dozen years ago, which resulted in a payout of around 660 million dollars. (And he’s still fuming here recently that the attorney’s efforts necessary to get his story included in the settlement payout cost him extra attorney fees.)

    The “due compensation” bit is a spin that has never been reliably demonstrated to be accurate at all.

    The epithets start flowing fast and thick as he goes on, which is a typical distraction ploy.

    Ditto, that it was “Catholic” (all-caps omitted) attorneys who mostly ran the case.

  26. Publion says:

    Continuing with my comment on JR’s of the 2nd at 1040AM:

    And SNAP – he yet again baselessly and against all historical evidence insinuates – was a tool of the Church rather than of the tort-attorneys. Adding this time around that he didn’t know that his attorney was Catholic. Would he not have inquired at the outset as to the attorney’s religious affiliation? Perhaps he was distracted by an overriding priority to do whatever it took to get the swag.

    As to his “Catholicism is any different” point: all human organizations participate to some extent in sin because the humans who comprise them are sinners. That’s Catechism 101. Nobody here, and surely not the Church herself, has ever claimed that Catholicism – its agents and its adherents – are sinless.

    • Jim Robertson says:

      No, my own racism, assumed with a name like Freiberg she was Jewish so did my Jewish friends think she was Jewish . I wanted a Jewish lawyer. She wasn't she was Catholic . And she disappeared after the settlement. So much disappearance of our controllers after the settlement. 

    • Jim Robertson says:

      I don't give a flying fuck about sin. I care about your victims who you still haven't been just with and just to. All this nonsense plastered here is a cover that allows your injured to continue to be harmed.

  27. Publion says:

    Continuing with my comment on JR’s of the 2nd at 724PM:

    As to JR’s claims about his efforts in regard to Mr. Saviano (the 2nd at 1111AM), readers may consider the reliability and accuracy as they will.

    Whether the former nun was herself somewhat unreliable or whether she realized soon enough just what she was dealing with … readers may also consider as they will.

    And on the 2nd at 724PM – moving beyond the usual thick larding of epithet – JR once again falls back into running his old chestnut about there being no ‘proof’ of the Beyond and so forth, concluding that bit with the mere assertion that it was all “childhood lies” perpetrated by “grown ups”.

    Regular readers may be familiar with my radar-sonar point: if you’re looking for aircraft with a set designed only to locate submarines, then you aren’t going to find any aircraft. Which proves only that you don’t know which set to use and perhaps aren’t clear on what you are looking for in the first place.

    • Jim Robertson says:

      Worst answer ever for a belief in God.

      Good answer for a question about how to look for submarines.

      God is supposed to be bigger than a submarine. He should at least have left a little trail of crumbs for his to prove him by ,but nope. So far still impossible.

  28. Publion says:

    Continuing with my comment on JR’s of the 2nd at 724PM:

    His preferred narrative ‘proof’ is that there can be no other explanation for his serious fall-off from a (allegedly) promising grade-school performance to a very poor performance in high-school except that he was thoroughly thrown off so promising a developmental and academic trajectory by having a teacher’s hand stuck down his pants or some such.

    But of course there are other possible explanations, among which are: a) the eruption of a familial genetic cognitive or ‘mental’ problem (perhaps from his father, as he has already described it here quite a while ago) asserted itself in his high-school years; or b) an effort to cover his academic failures (and such personal failures as might be included therein) by blaming his teachers, shrewdly using a sex-assault claim to do so.

    Certainly, the Stampede was designed to give cover to any sort of ‘failure’, and in the settlement-route those possibilities would have been largely ignored in the dust-cloud raised by the larger brouhaha over sexual-abuse (actual or claimed).

    But he slyly squirts an ink-cloud over any such considerations by bringing the performance home with a big epithetical finish.

  29. Publion says:

    On then to ‘Dan’s of the 2nd at 1132PM:

    Here ‘Dan’ will try to counter ‘Malcolm’s comment by squirting his own now-familiar ink: his own preferred-narrative that he received no “justice” in his assorted misadventures with the law and psychiatry (he was “falsely accused” each and every time and it was all “lies”, doncha know?).

    On the basis of which – popcorn, please – he has simply and heroically rededicated himself to “research deeper into the sins of the [Catholic] cult”. ‘Dan’s working definition of “research”, as should be clear by now, is nothing more than tossing up various assertions with nothing but his own delusive ‘authority’ from ‘God’ to back them up.

    As to ‘Dan’s “background in the Bible” – delivered to him directly from his bathroom mirror – readers may follow that sad and silly masquerade of his in any number of prior threads here.

    And he brings the performance home with – had you been waitttttinggggg forrrr itttttt? – assorted threats along the lines of ‘God’ll getcha all’.

    • Dan says:

      And the publiar continues with more mocking, while insisting that he doesn't do any mocking. Do habitual liars ever get tired of lying, or is it so ingrained into their spirit, that to tell the truth would actually cause their head to explode?   servant of The Truth, on authority from God.

  30. Marty says:

    Thanks Publion! I'll be coming back to this thread for reference! He already seems redundant, but I thought it was just me.

    • Dan says:

      Wow, you're an observant one, Marty McFly, or is it Marty lil'Fly? We already have enough catholic publiar kiss___es. Don't tell me your next?

    • Marty says:

      Dan – just read your 6/12/2017 to David Pierre. Now who's doing kiss___ing?

  31. malcolm harris says:

    Am getting the impression that the Church-suing lawyer Mitchell Garabedian must be a real nasty piece of work. For saying on publicly funded T.V….. that priests "They have been raping kids at a wholesale pace for centuries".  My first inclination is to dismiss him as a rabble- rousing crank. But actually he has an agenda and PBS handed him the megaphone, to persuade the gullible.   He understands that large-scale moral panic will stampede both the public and courts…. and that "no evidence is needed" and that we should  all "believe the victim" . Personally I would rate Garabedian in the same catergory as those old snake-oil salesmen.  His college degree does not necessarily give him a good character…. it rarely does.

  32. Publion says:

    On then to ‘Dan’s of the 4th at 1114PM:

    If you had any doubts about the abyssal lack of self-awareness without which ‘Dan’ would have to face his actual self, then his second sentence of his comment here nicely and vividly demonstrates it: he has “harbored no hatred” for – waitttt forrrrrrrrr ittttttttttttttttt! – “any of the liars, slanderers and false accusers who have attacked” him on this site or in those many instances where he wound up in the hoosegow, in court, and then in psych-wards.

    And that – to his own satisfaction, at least – allows ‘Dan’ to riff on with a bunch of his usual bits against Catholicism and the Church (of course, if this were a Protestant-focused site, then ‘Dan’ would be applying all this to whatever variant of Protestantism ran the site).

    Including the rather presumptuous bit – delivered by ‘Dan’ wearing his home-made Pope hat – that “You are not Christians whatsoever”.

  33. Publion says:

    On then to ‘Dan’s of the 4th at 1156PM:

    What to say in regard to ‘Dan’s shopping list here?

    In regard to (1): Jesus, we recall, told Peter that he would be “the rock” upon which He would build His church” / Jesus gave Peter the ‘power of the keys’, i.e. to “bind and loose” sin / there is a line of succession from Peter onwards, and ‘Dan’ has never demonstrated just where he thinks that line was broken so profoundly that the Church is not the same entity that Jesus sought to “build” / “katholikos” in the Greek means “universal”.

    In regard to (2): the same points apply here as noted in (1) / since Peter was not going to be given a physical life lasting beyond the usual human span, then upon his death a successor, Linus, was appointed (and , Irenaeus says, is mentioned by Paul in 2 Timothy 4:21) / if Jesus had merely given the power of keys and the Great Commission to Peter personally and did not intend to build a church upon Peter’s new office, then we have Jesus contradicting Himself.

    • Dan says:

      I think we're making progress. You've confused the "Great Commission" with one of your all-time favorites, "It's the 'Great Pumpkin' Charlie Brown", followed only by that other catholic fantasy "A Charlie Brown Christmas". And you've confused "Linus" with Peter's successor, when in reality you were mixing the characters of your favorite cartoons, with your lack of Biblical knowledge. Don't worry! This can happen when you walk around with your head up Irenaeus (pronounced yur-anus). Sometimes when this happens you'll even find that you often end up sitting on your brains. Someday maybe some catholic who is into cartoons as much as you can turn this into a peewee cartoon. And you can stuff your face with popcorn and your Kathlik-Kool-Aid and go wee-wee all the way home. publiar oinks, "That's All Folks!!"

  34. Publion says:

    Continuing with my comment on ‘Dan’s of the 4th at 1156PM:

    In regard to (3): the Church has always held the Rosary to be a devotional, developed in the course of the Church’s history to honor Mary as Mother of God and as humanity’s human intercessor at the heavenly court / as a devotional practice it is not an article of Faith.

    In regard to (4): on the Cross Jesus said to John “behold thy mother”, which is taken to mean not only that John should now take care of Mary as if she were his own mother, but that Mary was to be seen as Mother of the Church (that Jesus had appointed Peter to lead, as we have seen) / see more in my response to point 7 below.

    In regard to (5): the Church holds that as a human following the sin of Adam Mary too required to be ‘saved’, but that she was uniquely ‘saved’ before birth in light of her unique role as Mother of Christ.

  35. Publion says:

    Continuing with my comment on ‘Dan’s of the 4th at 1156PM:

    In regard to (6): while Jesus ‘ascended’ into Heaven (although some might say he was ‘taken up’ by His Father) Mary was ‘assumed’, meaning that she did not enter Heaven bodily ‘under her own power’ (as it were) but rather was indeed brought to Heaven (or taken up, if you wish) by the power of God / both Enoch (Genesis 5:24) and Elijah (2 Kings 2:11) were taken up into heaven , as were the “two witnesses” noted in Revelation 3:11-13 / and Revelation 12: 1-5 refers to the “woman clothed with the sun” and so on.

    In regard to (7): Catholicism has no “idols”; this is merely ‘Dan’s borrowing of a familiar fundie point and has been dealt with here at length on prior recent threads / Mary is not held by the Church to be ‘divine’ or a ‘goddess’ but is rather fully a human being, taken up into Heaven / statues of Mary (and the various saints and Christ Himself) are merely aids to human visualization and memory, just as Lincoln’s statue at his Memorial is not held to be the permanent incarnation of Lincoln himself and Washington’s statue and painting in the capitol is not held to be Washington himself and Jefferson’s at his Memorial … and so on.

  36. Publion says:

    Continuing with my comment on ‘Dan’s of the 4th at 1156PM:

    In regard to point (8): this is another old fundie point and is too ridiculous to consider seriously / and it has already been addressed on a recent thread here.

    In regard to point (9): Mary is seen as Queen of Heaven, though one might – if one wished to make a historical point of it – say she is better seen as Queen-Mother in Heaven (a point discussed on prior recent threads) and either usage would work in Catholic theology / but her role as God-appointed Intercessor by virtue of her maternity of Christ remains / ‘bowing’ is a gesture of respect to important personages; it in no way establishes the fundie bit about her being considered by Catholics to be herself a divinity.

    • Dan says:

      Maybe once again, you might need a review of the 10 commandments, especially this one in regards to 'bowing' to your false goddess, Mary "Queen of Heaven".

      "You SHALL NOT make for yourself an IDOL, or ANY likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth. You SHALL NOT BOW DOWN to them or WORSHIP them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing lovingkindness to thousands, to those who love me and KEEP my COMMANDMENTS. Exodus 20: 4-6

      So this is where we stand, catholics. Are you going to continually listen to the excuses and lies of catholic apologists and their catholic theologies, or would you prefer to follow the Bible and listen to God's Word. Biblical theology is much different than catholic poppycock theology. Go ahead and listen to a compulsive liar explain away obvious Commandments from God himself, but you won't stand before God and say you weren't warned about the false teachers and deceivers of your cult. I have been warning and quoting Biblical Truth in this forum now for 2 years. I'm not sure how much longer I'm going to put up with all your attacks. Publiar is a compulsive false accuser and liar, and cares nothing for your souls or the truth. He thinks he can sarcastically label me a "fundie", because I follow Biblical Truth. Good Luck in believing his lies. You may as well listen to Satan himself.  servant of the Only True God

      *note to catholics – "Catholic thought, theology and praxis" is unbiblical and against God's Word

  37. Publion says:

    Continuing with my comment on ‘Dan’s of the 4th at 1156PM:

    In regard to point (10): Mary’s intercession is not held by the Church to be indispensable to a salvific relationship with God / the point ‘Dan’ makes here is merely another old fundie bit that was cobbled together to have more plop to toss at the Church / ‘Dan’, of course, has his bathroom mirror séances.

    In regard to point (11): ditto / and if we are to take ‘Dan’s point here literally, then after one’s very first prayer to God, there can be no further prayers to God – and readers can consider the whackness of that as they may.

    In regard to point (11): ditto again / ‘Dan’ has merely taken over yet another hoary old fundie point / if some humans wish to show respect and reverence for Mary by clothing her statue in rich garments, that is emblematic of human psychology and has no bearing on Mary’s role in God’s salvific plan / in no way does Catholic theology insist that only expensively-garbed statues of Mary can be useful in the human relationship to God and Mary / the painting on the ceiling of the Rotunda of the Capitol, of George Washington being taken up into the clouds (with a crown of laurel leaves, if memory serves), does not in any way indicate the ‘divinity’ of Washington and the same dynamics apply to human depictions of Mary.

  38. Publion says:

    Continuing with my comment on ‘Dan’s of the 4th at 1156PM:

    Thus ‘Dan’s silly “Sorry, catholics” conclusion merely emphasizes the sorry state of his own ‘theology’ and surely his ridiculously sorry (but slyly self-serving) knowledge of Catholic thought, theology, and praxis.

    But no surprises there.

    His comment of the 5th at 1210AM merely continues his sorry and silly performance and that’s that.

    • Dan says:

      Catholic thought, theology and praxis is unbiblical and in opposition to the Almighty God's Word. Do you want to listen to man's lies or listen to the very Word of the Almighty? Your choice.

  39. Publion says:

    And now for something not completely different at all, we get JR’s of the 4th at 1123PM:

    This is just another adolescent and witless repetition of JR’s best shots in the theological forum and what you see is what you get. And what you see is pretty much all JR has.

  40. Marty says:

     

    Dan, ok, I'll go along with it. You're 2 separate persons. Like the patty duke, show, different as night and day, but really……!

    DAN – Thinks he's Jack Chicks replacement. Will be putting flyers under windshield wipers soon. Setting the tone to sue the police to get at least 2k back, if not more. (Having been on a police reserve, at one time, if I was involved with you, and totally truthful, you would have

    probably had to pay $5k, but don't really know)

    JIM – thinks he's Al Goldsteins replacement. Greedy, as he has $1k! Why are you still on here? Close to 72, acts like his claims happened yesterday. Can't take it with him! Didn't thank me for the 3cents!

    MARTY – low iq "people's clown". Knows that God said in the bible that he would put those that think they're so smart, in their place. SEXUALLY HARASSED, by non-church org, but not freeloading off it. No problem with Catholic Church. Understands it's not perfect. Has a life off the computer.

          "Both" you come up with the same ol', same  ol',! I Try to fight satanism anywhere, but especially when it tries to destroy the Church, thru the Internet. Will say deliverance prayers for "you" soon! Hope you stop your spewing, as it starts to remind me of pea soup. Thanks for not talking fast! – marty

     

    • Dan says:

      Marty, we already have enough catholic imbeciles represented in this forum. I inform you that I've paid out over $2k "for crimes I never committed, based on your cults lying hierarchy and corrupt lying catholic cops", and you chime in that you once were a wanna-be cop, and if you were involved with me, you would have probably made me pay $5k. That's nice, you would have made the falsely accused pay 2 and 1/2 times more. You would have made one hell of a corrupt catholic cop, Marty. I knew some cops were dumb, but didn't know they were dumb as rocks. Welcome to the corrupt lying priests and lying pigs federation, better known as the catholic church.

    • Jim Robertson says:

      Screw the pigs! you sound as thick and brutal as most cops are, Marty.  You are a self appointed Defender of the True Faith?  You and Dan have that in common. Only Dan is trying to be decent in his born again way. Are you here to behave decently, here, Marty or just to behave like another trained seal?

  41. Dan says:

    CATHOLICS – On the 4th @ 11:56pm I asked ABS, "Please show me in the Bible where Jesus spoke any of the words that represent the major beliefs of your church."

    As is typical, the catholic spokesperson for this forum, publiar, thinks he's got all the answers to my request. In fact he came up with nothing from the Bible to prove one of my points. He thinks he can weasel his way out of anything by acting like he is the supreme catholic authority on the Bible and has all the catholic answers to anyone's questions, but he does not. For 11 of the terms he could provide no Biblical proof. Only twice he gave Biblical references that made no sense in answering to the catholic terms I listed. See below;

    2) Pope – publiar claims that "Linus" was the successor to Peter as mentioned in 2 Tim 4:21. What could be a more ridiculous claim? It states in 2 Tim 4:21, "Linus" mentioned along with several others as followers sending their greetings. Well my catholic relatives and friends send me greetings now and then, so I'll let them know that they must be popes. RIDICULOUS!

    6) My mother will assume into heaven - This is his (publiar) very poor answer: "Enoch (Genesis 5:24) and Elijah (2 Kings 2:11) were taken up into heaven, as were the 'two witnesses' noted in Revelation 3:11-13 / and Revelation 12: 1-5 refers to the 'woman clothed with the sun' and so on". All of these men were taken up into heaven and the Bible clearly references this happening. Publiar states, "Revelations 12: 1-5 refers to the 'woman clothed like the sun' and so on." Nothing says this refers to Mary, and many scholars think this refers to the church, and not the catholic church and this is his terrible proof that Mary was assumed into heaven. Rev. 12 mentions nothing about the woman being assumed into heaven. In fact it says she ran or escaped into the desert. How do you catholics listen to this catholic liars poppycock theology? Hey publiar, I saw where you can purchase some Poppycock Popcorn on Amazon. Is that the brand you've been stuffing your face with?

    Conclusion: Everything publiar oinks that he regards as intelligent questioning and wonderful assessments, which in reality usually refers to his lies, amounts to nothing but ignorance and nonsense.

     

    • Marty says:

      Dan, thanks for the welcome! I guess I was talking too fast, in the above comment about the police. I don't really know what you did, but said TRUTHFULLY. If you spew off at the police, they won't like it. Common sense!  Have been trying to defend the church for 45 yrs., due to an endless amount of assailants!  Your low iq'd "people's" clown – Marty 

  42. Jim Robertson says:

    Blah Blah Blah.

     61 % of Australian claiments of child religious sex abuse were against the Catholic church. You are in the news because you harmed more of your own children than any other religion on that continent. The rest was divided largely by Anglican and Jehovah's Witnesses.

    That's the facts.

    Oh deary me! Publiar is back and with an idiot side kick Marty. It's like a bad Roy Rogers.

    And here I was praying to Jesus-boy  that you were dead,Pliar.  Well maybe my prayer's on hold. One day.

    Thanks Dan for the heads up to Marty about sex abuse. I was awarded 1Million but the church provided lawyer took 40% of that million. 40% which may have gone back to the church by now. that's what the church and obviously some of its parishioners are mostly concerned with.

    Nary a word of sympathy for their own kids being harmed. What love and understanding have you to offer?

     

     

    • marty says:

      Dan/Jim, prayed the deliverance prayer for you yesterday. – marty

    • Marty says:

      Jim – all is not lost! Perhaps the money went to help displaced, marked for extermination, Iraqi Catholics, or the homeless in California.  Your low iq'd "people's" clown – marty

  43. Jim Robertson says:

    That Blah Blah … crack was not against you Dan. It was against the Liar known as P. On and on he goes. He doeth declairth something good or bad. As if he has some special credentials. Some superior position and authority. All he wants is power all he cares about is power. It's in every note he entones. Pathetic. He's a piece of stage scenery. No depth. Just deny and attack. Its all he has poor soul. I still wish he was dead. 

    • Marty says:

      Jim, 61% Australian CLAIMENTS, seems like your own answer. It's what they claim! I personally have lots of love and understanding, until it's used and abused. In the above, somewhere,you mentioned about praying, but to who? Or are you parodying again? Maybe you are a "firebrand" atheist, like American atheists was on about , some time ago. Again, thank you and Dan, for getting me "hooked" on this site! Couldn't have done it without you!         

      Pax Marty -your low iq'd "people's" clown – Marty 

  44. malcolm harris says:

    just testing access, might be my computer???

    • marty says:

      You seem OK now Malcolm. Maybe some "malcontents" from here sent "malware". Hope not! – marty

  45. Jim Robertson says:

    According to the FBI, 2% to 8% of all rape and or sexual abuse claims are false. And those figures haven't changed for decades.

    So all your wailing and lamentations are over 2% to 8% of claims against your church. Meaning obviously that, at the very worse, 92% of the claims are true. TMR is here pretending that 8% false accusations are more important than the 92% of Catholic children hurt.

    As far as the press goes, 64% of all the claims of church related sex attacks in Australia were against the Catholic church. You have THE largest share of harm done. Therefore your church deserves to be reported about the most. your lot committed the most crimes. End of story TMR.

    • marty says:

      Perhaps in a normal setting, like Hollywood and the work world, but the church is viewed as a "cash cow" to be milked and destroyed. Heard that someone accusing Cardinal Pell in Aussie died, yet Pell is guilty until proven innocent!   

      Pax Marty – your "p" c – Marty 

  46. Jim Robertson says:

    Correction: 61.4% of claims in Australia are against the Catholic church.

  47. Jim Robertson says:

    Here's some truth:https://www.facebook.com/ideapods/videos/1575897902504439/ Hell was invented by St Augustine.

  48. Publion says:

    On then to ‘Dan’s of the 6th at 548PM:

    ‘Dan’ just cannot help giving himself and his game away: confronted yet again with Christ’s Great Commission given to Peter (along, we recall, with the power to “bind and loose” sins), ‘Dan’ tries to go for some yuks: it all reminds him of “Peanuts” and “the Great Pumpkin” – doncha see? Ya know: Great Commission, Great Pumpkin … that sort of thing. Only a diabolic Satan-worshipper wouldn’t see the insightfully great and mature relevance of that comparison, right?

    To ‘Dan’ such silly and deceitful dreck is “progress”.

    Ditto, Pope Linus (Peter’s direct successor) and the Linus of Peanuts … serious insight here, doncha see?

    But wait. There’s more. All  this – doncha see? – demonstrates my “lack of Biblical knowledge”.

    Then a bit of scatological word-play: Irenaeus and – had you been waitttingggg forrr ittttttttttttttt? – “yur anus”. This is as nice a demonstration of the genuine ‘Dan’ as we might ever hope to see.

    Readers may bear it all in mind the next time they find themselves addressed (e.g. “Catholics!”) in this poseur’s version of a stentorian bray.

    • Dan says:

      I thought that since you are such a big joke and are amused by all your own cartoon garbage analogies, that I would combine your poor Biblical sense with your sad sense of humor. From your response I believe I succeeded and proved what we've known all along. You're just a boring dweeb twit troll, lacking any sense of humor.

  49. Publion says:

    Thus advised, we proceed to ‘Dan’s of the 6th at 635PM:

    In response to my counter-points to his own eleven points, ‘Dan’ rummages through his mind to find some evasive pretext and hits upon – had you been waitttingggg forrr itttttttttttttt? – “the 10 commandments”.

    Aside from those 10 being somehow numerically similar to the 11 points he had made (i.e. one set  described by the number “10” and one set described by the number “11”), of what relevance is this bit of his here?

    Well – doncha see? – there’s the Commandment about “idols”, and ‘bowing down’ to them. Regular readers may quickly realize that ‘Dan’ has nothing here except to repeat his old Mary-as-goddess and statues-as-idols bits. And, actually, ‘Dan’ is here only interested in the first of the Commandments, not all 10 of them.

    But that Commandment simply insists that Yahweh is the only God for Israel. As I have pointed out on numerous occasions here, Mary is not considered a divinity by Catholics, nor is the statue or image itself considered to be an actual divinity (unlike the Hebrews’ golden calf, which was itself considered a divinity).

    • Dan says:

      If your stupid enough to believe that it's not necessary to obey or follow the first commandment, which just happens to be the most important one, there's not much reason to discuss the other nine. The fact that God makes claim to being the One and Only God, and you shall have no other Gods before Him, and you think that only applies to Israel, shows your ignorance of the Bible and how God speaks prophetically through His Word. Though I have exhaustingly pointed out all the Biblical references against your cults idolatry and goddess worship of the "Queen of Heaven" in Jeremiah 44, Isaiah 44 and more, I'll once again point to Baruch 6:8,9, even from the UCCSB (NAB):

      "People bring gold, as though for a girl fond of dressing up, and prepare crowns for the heads of their gods. Then sometimes the priests filch the gold and silver from their gods and spend it on themselves … " Baruch 6:8,9  Funny how the greedy thieving priests of your cult aren't much different. So gold crowns were made and placed on the heads of their gods. In example fatima, lourdes, and every disgusting church and ceremony where Mary your "Queen of Heaven" is crowned in gold, worshipped and adored. No excuses, heathen idolators, denying the God of all gods and His son Jesus Christ as your only Savior (your worship is just like the Hebrews' golden calf).  servant of the One and Only True God

  50. Publion says:

    Continuing with my comment on ‘Dan’s of the 6th at 635PM:

    Having thus tossed up – for lack of anything better – his usual chaff yet again, ‘Dan’ quickly moves to his preferred mode of declamation and denunciation as, having donned the Wig of Declamation and Denunciation, he bleats the aria “So this is where we stand, catholics”.

    In this aria, he slyly sets up his usual deceptive equating of his own stuff with “the Bible” and “God’s Word”, insinuating with the sinuousity of a well-known Biblical reptile that there be “much different” between “Biblical theology” (of which ‘Dan’, but of course, considers himself the Ne Plus Ultra of expounders) and “catholic poppycock theology”.

    Since ‘Dan’ has demonstrated on numerous occasions that he could not theologically or logically reason his way out of a paper bag, then readers can take his bleats and brays as they may.

    • Dan says:

      If a compulsive catholic liar was to tell you that Dan "could not theologically or logically reason his way out of a paper bag", then I suggest any gullible catholic should listen to the lying pigs' oinks.

  51. Publion says:

    Continuing with my comment on ‘Dan’s of the 6th at 635PM:

    And then, in a sudden head-gear switch from the Wig of Declamation and Denunciation to the Horned Helmet of Warning, he ceases to bleat and now belts out the bray of Warning: he’s simply “not sure how much longer [he is] going to put up with all [my] attacks”. Harrrrumph. The poor thing is close to a fit of the vapors, forsooth.

    And thus doth he bray on to the end of the comment, “P.S.” included.

    And a good thing too; the popcorn is running out. This performance of his is going to be a two-bagger.

  52. Publion says:

    On then and thus to ‘Dan’s of the 6th at 759PM:

    Here the Scriptural Chanteuse Extraordinaire will consider a (very) few of the 11 counterpoints I raised. And in doing so will give us as nice a demonstration of somebody trying to “weasel out” of a hole he has dug for himself, or a series of holes, actually.

    The performance opens with that ominous stentorian bray: “CATHOLICS”. Popcorn, please, and lots of it.

    It wasn’t my intention to “prove” any of his points since his points were – not to put too fine a point on it – not provable.

    He can’t really demonstrate anything, so he reverts to mere unsupported epithet, i.e. that I am “acting like [I am] the supreme catholic authority on the Bible”. I have some familiarity with Catholic thought, Biblical and Scriptural – I took some courses in college, but of course ‘Dan’ was advised by the entities in his bathroom mirror that he didn’t need no stinkin’ books so … what?

    Any readers here are welcome to put up their own material on Catholic thought, especially if they think I have misrepresented it at any point.

  53. Publion says:

    Continuing with my comment on ‘Dan’s of the 6th at 759PM:

    We were discussing the Church’s theology, and ‘Dan’ has already admitted that the Catholic Church does not appear anywhere in the Bible.

    He apparently claims that Linus was not the immediate successor to Peter. Linus appears as such in all the lists; does ‘Dan’ have some other credible source that would disqualify that rather stupendous historical fact? He does not. He merely points out that the Linus in 2 Tim 4:21 is not – contra Irenaeus (about whom, we recall, ‘Dan’ can only come up with a scatological reference) – the same Linus as appears in the lists. If so (and it’s ‘Dan’ vs. Irenaeus here), so what? What’s his point?

    And the only half-accurate bit in all of this is that ‘Dan’s ‘logic’ about his relatives sending him greetings is “RIDICULOUS!”.

    • Dan says:

      My point was that nothing suggests that "Linus" was a pope or that he succeeded Peter, who wasn't a pope either. Peter had no higher status than any of the Apostles, and you could even argue that Paul played a greater role in the Christian church than Peter ever did, and wasn't one of the original Apostles. You have no Biblical proof of anything, and should take your catholic phony catechism and burn it, like your cult originally did to Bibles and those who made or distributed them. Bunch of cruel hypocrites, who haven't changed much at all. Now you just pick on weak innocent babies and children for your own sexual satisfaction. SICK!!

  54. Publion says:

    Continuing with my comment on ‘Dan’s of the 6th at 759PM:

    Heading for the bottom of the barrel like a dive-bomber, ‘Dan’ then brings in – had you been waitttinggg forrr ittttttttttttttttttt? – his mother.

    But wait. There’s more.

    Somehow his dear mother “will assume into heaven”. If you think the grammar is whacky, consider the theological point he’s trying to make – and good luck with that. His mother will not – barring the direct intervention of God – “assume” or be assumed bodily into heaven. So what’s his point?

    Then ‘Dan’ merely repeats his bit about “many scholars” (fundies and such) who don’t think the “woman clothed with the sun” who bore a male child – we went over this pericope at length on a recent thread – is Mary. Well, that doesn’t seem very probable, given the fact that the Book of Revelation was written after Christ ascended and Mary was very much a major figure in early Christian thought and – not to put too fine a point on it – history.

    • Dan says:

      The "point" is once again you can't prove much of any of your cults' nonsense and ignorance, and for that matter yours either. Nothing but lies from compulsive liars.  servant

  55. Publion says:

    Continuing with my comment on ‘Dan’s of the 6th at 759PM:

    And surely if ‘Dan’ is going to bethump us here with his interpretative insistence that so many of the Old Testament pericopes he favors (against the Church) require serious dollops of his own ‘interpretation’, then he’s hardly in a position to bleat and bray about whether that “woman” in Revelation is Mary, or – interpretation alert! – merely a figure for the “church” / but not the Catholic Church / but instead some other pure church … and so on and so forth.

    And – to repeat from a while back on this site – while the graves of this and that Apostle were known and reverenced, yet there was never any grave or burial site identified as Mary’s. If she died in the normal human fashion, such an oversight is so improbable as to defy rational historical acceptance.

    • Dan says:

      You catholics worship and love death, gravesites and cemeteries. You can't find proof of Marys' grave, so you dream up lies to satisfy your false theories and fantasies. If all the Apostles gravesites were known and reverenced, that just might suggest that to the early church, Mary wasn't as important as idol-worshipping catholics would like to believe. Oh! The horror of it all! You've been depending on a false goddess for mercy, life and hope, and the followers of Christ could care less how she lived or where she died. Why? Because Mary had no importance in the salvation of our souls. Christ died for our sins. Mary was just the vessel God used to bring His Son into the world. Boy, that should shatter some catholic dreams, but it won't, because idolators are dead set on worshipping their idols. These are the lies that make the church rich, and they prefer the lies, over the riches of Christ.   servant of the Lord

    • Dan says:

      And by the way, death, graves and cemeteries also help make the church rich, along with schools, universities and hospitals. When will you catholics wake up to the greed of your religion of big business and politics, and lacking in God or Christ?

  56. Publion says:

    Continuing with my comment on ‘Dan’s of the 6th at 759PM:

    As Revelations 12:1 has it, this “woman” was “clothed with the sun with the moon under her feet”. The only way one can achieve that geographical position is to be – not to put too fine a point on it – ‘above’ the moon and close enough to the sun to be “clothed with” it. That sounds like a street address somewhere in heaven or its immediate suburbs.

    But no matter how one chooses to interpret it, it is – precisely – a matter of ‘interpretation’; whether one considers this “woman clothed with the sun” to be Mary or some metaphorical symbolic usage, it is ‘interpretation’ and ‘Dan’s “many scholars” can have theirs as the Church has its.

    For Catholics the matter has been settled, of course. ‘Dan’ and whatever “many scholars” to whom he refers can proffer whatever speculative bits occur to them according to their lights. And good luck with that. But the Scriptural text cannot be claimed as ‘evidence’ that this “woman clothed with the sun” is not Mary, any more than so many of ‘Dan’s favorite (anti-Church) pericopes in the Old Testament can be assuredly demonstrated to refer to the Church.

  57. Amateur Brain Surgeon says:

    There are a few men in here who are riven with rage tp the point of blindness and whose rage has caused them to make claims that are woefully ignorant.

    Here is a link to an epxlanation of Mary as Queen. All Catholics have done is bring to fruition the religion of God.

    http://www.motherofallpeoples.com/2009/07/the-gebirah-our-advocating-queen-mother/

    Many err in thinking there has been more than one religion when there has only ever been one reliigion- The religion of Jesus Christ- and which OT version of which was the one true religion that anticipated and waited on The Messias (over 300 biblical prophecies about Him).  The old testamnet version did not have the completeness of revelation that new Israel (Cathoic Church) does but there has only ever been one religion (religion means bond with God and it was God who established it)

    Hatred of math can not make 2 + 5 = 0 anymore than hatred of Jesus Christ can make His Catholic Church disappear but some men in here are so blind with hatred and rage that they think others will believe their cliams rather than pity their screeching.

    • Dan says:

      Hey brain surgeon, fortunately you're a catholic, because publiar would criticize the heck out of your spelling, in order to make himself look more intelligent. You're lucky you're on the lying hypocrites side. In regards to your catholic website on the Queen Mary, I don't need any catholic proof or excuses for your idolatry. She's hardly mentioned in the New Testament and when she was, at times, it wasn't in a very good light. You should read the Bible instead of leaning on your catholic propaganda. Come to Christ and kick your ignorance of Mary to the curb. All adoration, veneration, reverence and worship of anyone besides God and His Christ is nothing but idolatry and amounts to lies from the devil himself. The catholic church never was and never will be the church of Christ. Do not be deceived!   servant of the Lord

  58. Jim Robertson says:

    Here's some more truth. https://www.facebook.com/the.butterfly.effect.808/videos/1078987962202909/ Particularly for Dan. P wouldn't get it.

    • Dan says:

      Sorry Jim. I'm not on facebook. No twitter. No skype. Had a question though. Is John Spong the bishop your talking about on a previous thread? Let me know.

  59. Marty says:

    Dan, see what you've caused! Now I have to go researching the old posts, which is time consuming. 4\13\14 2:31 am. Reunion. Already you lucked out, as my h.s. Is long gone! Still a golf outing, and a few other events.due to u.s. society's hatred of catholic schools, it closed.saw a picture of the "Jerry Garcia" teacher. See! Not all bad! Your "perp" too. He came close to admiration! Not all bad! Again, you lucked out being sent to Panama.( hope not too much "Panama red" while there!)

    4\13\14 4:21 – agree with the economic assessment!

    4\17\14 10:57 – Hollywood – you really put your foot in your mouth on that one! Look at it now!

    4\14\14 – deleted! – many deletes in that thread! What can you expect Jim? You have to watch your spewing, as that's what happens! I've just come on this site, and am amazed at the amount of spewing towards me!

    Pax Marty – your "p"c –  marty

     

  60. Marty says:

    Dan, your h.s. Has survived , due , in part, to donations by tom Brady. Barry bonds, and Jim fregosi. Such a roster!

          Also, 99% of students exceed the minimum course requirements set for admission to CSU and the U of C. So, even if you finished last, you had the minimum to get in. Grateful? Or no?

    Pax Marty – your "p"c – marty

  61. Publion says:

    On then to JR’s of the 6th at 1146PM:

    JR opens his most recent disquisition with “Blah blah blah”. Let’s see how much “blah” he himself is going to put up.

    First, he tries the old “smokescreen” (to use one of his favorite terms) approach: he simply presumes that the “61% of Australian claiments of child religious sex abuse were against the Catholic church” (sic).

    That may be, although given the fact that the Stampede Playbook requires that such “claimants” never be carefully examined, then what does this percentage really demonstrate? Surely last summer’s brouhaha against an Australian Cardinal – which has since disappeared from the news without (to the best of my knowledge) the prosecution ever providing the ‘evidence’ it claimed to possess – gives us a fine example of how the Playbook operates.

    The Church may well be “in the news” because it became clear to many persons and interests Down Under that one might repeat the Stampede that garnered billions in the USA and elsewhere, i.e. that one simply had to find a tortie, launch an allegation and a claim, and wait for a settlement check in the mail. It worked for JR.

  62. Publion says:

    Continuing with my comment on JR’s of the 6th at 1146PM:

    If memory serves, the Aussie government has released its final Report, which includes a number of recommended changes … to the Church’s theology as well as the demand that the secrecy of the confessional and of the Sacrament of Penance no longer be legally or theologically permissible. Thus that if you as a penitent confess sex-abuse then the confessor must – like doctors and nurses and psychiatric/psychological providers and a welter of other professional providers – report you to the authorities.

    Thus the Aussie Report indicates an effort by secularists and anti-Catholic types to use the already dubious Stampede ‘sex abuse’ dynamic to rewrite Catholic praxis and even sacramental theology.

    Thus whenever you get the stentorian bray from the likes of JR or other Abuseniks here that “That’s the facts” you are best advised to look very carefully before trying to drive that clunker of an assertion off the lot.

  63. Publion says:

    Continuing with my comment on JR’s of the 6th at 1146PM:

    Then just more smarty stuff about “Roy Rogers” and such.

    And the veiled violence of praying for my death. Charming. So content with his plop-tossy bits is JR that he doesn’t notice what he reveals about himself.

    Then a repetition of an old self-exculpatory bit from JR to insinuate that the attorney (who rather impressively got his own claim included in the massive 500-plus plaintiff, 660 million dollar settlement case in LA back a decade or more ago) was “church provided”. And JR accepted the services of such a dubiously-connected attorney? And would it even have been professionally legitimate for an attorney somehow working for the Church to represent JR in a claim against the Church? As usual, JR’s stories don’t stand realistic examination.

    But he remains quite unhappy that he had to pay money (apparently around 400K) to the tort attorney at all. I am reminded of Gilbert and Sullivan’s attorney-turned-judge in “Trial by Jury”: “It was managed by a job, and a good job too!”.

    • Publion says:

      On then to JR’s of the 6th at 1158:

      I haven’t tossed out unsubstantiated presumptions characterizing dynamics and topics under consideration here. Indeed, JR has complained that I write too much. But I explain the points I make, and I do so as completely as I can.

      Thus I don’t merely ‘declare’ “something good or bad”. That’s what the Abuseniks prefer to do.

      And his comment here concludes with more riffing along epithetical lines.

      Oh, and this 70 year-old “still” doth “wish that [I] was dead”. A real mature charmer is JR.

    • Publion says:

      On then to JR’s of the 8th at 1013AM:

      As for his numbers and figures: they date back 20 years and more to a 1996 Uniform Crime Report and a 1997 DOJ document. This predates the Stampede by half a decade and more.

      And even then they were only applicable to accusations of “forcible rape” in general (i.e. not including Catholic Stampede cases), which found that 8% of claims, upon investigation, were declared “unfounded”. (See the Wiki entry for ‘False Accusation of Rape’ for starters).

      But that entry – again referring to that era’s claims – also states that “It is extremely difficult to assess the prevalence of false accusations” [i.e. of forcible rape] and “the true percentage [i.e. of false accusations] remains unknown”.

      That Wiki article also notes that the FBI never repeated its estimate in Reports subsequent to 1995-1997. 

    • Publion says:

      Continuing with my comment on JR’s of the 8th at 1013AM:

      And once you factor in the dynamics of the Stampede as it developed in the US after January 2002, then there is even more reason to disallow so lowball and estimate of false accusations. Regular readers here may recall that Federal Judge Schiltz opined (as I noted in comments quite a while ago) that over half of the claims in Catholic Abuse settlement cases over which he presided appeared false. 

      And I would also point out again that the larger percentage of Stampede claims did not actually claim “rape” (as it is traditionally defined and understood) at all. And that while many of the extant ‘rape’ studies are concerned with immediate claims (rather than ‘historical’ claims that are alleged to have happened years or even decades before) yet the Stampede is indeed primarily an episode of ‘historical’ claims going back years and even decades.

      Thus, given the misleading and insufficient nature of JR’s “facts” and statistics here, the rest of his riff sits on a cloud of fog and nothing more. And thus too his concluding “end of story, TMR” bit remains nothing but a baseless and self-serving bray. 

    • Publion says:

      On then to JR’s of the 8th at 1048AM:

      Here he demonstrates his chops by tossing up a Facebook post about hell having been “invented by St. Augustine”.

      While the ancient Sumerians had a post-physical-death dark place where the souls of the dead dwelt, the Egyptian Middle-Kingdom vision was of a “lake of fire” presided over by the god Ammit, entry to which was determined by the post-death ‘weighing of the heart’ on the Scale of Maat. Greek thought called it Tartarus (and later Hades) and Hebrew thought called it Sheol (later Gehenna) and ancient Celtic thought called it Uffern, and there are Asian and African variants as well – all predating St. Augustine. 

    • Dan says:

      Publiar, I enjoyed your history lesson on the different pagan cultures and their belief in hell. It's probably wise for you to realize and assess where you'll be spending eternity, liar.

    • Dan says:

      Oh! Yeah! Regular readers should recall your mentioning the unbiased opinion of a catholic federal judge, claiming "that over half of the claims in Catholic Abuse settlement cases over which he presided 'appeared' false". An "appeared false" opinion by a sympathetic catholic judge is a far cry from being false.

      And the publiar follows that ignorance up with "many of the extant 'rape' studies are concerned with immediate claims", insinuating that "the Stampede is indeed primarily an episode of 'historical' claims going back years and even decades", so in his excusing and denying mind, these claims hold little validity.

      You're going to once again claim that you don't try to minimize and make excuses for the disgusting pedophiles and pederasts of your cult. If there is any "cloud of fog" it's emanating from your daily fog machine. Quit your lying and deceivingly ignorant garbage, you compulsive liar.

  64. Marty says:

    Correction: above 2 posts should be addressed to Jim, not Dan.

  65. Marty says:

    Dan/Jim – just prayed a Divine Mercy Chaplet decade for both you! Pax, brothers!

    Jim – I don't know….you sound like a hardline American atheist to me. Always talking about childhood beliefs. That's exactly what they do. Maybe you are one of their shills. Time will tell. But have been reading archives, as you know, so, we'll see.

    Dan – glad you liked my time travel! More to come, possibly, have to see ,Dan, as I don't know yet how this site is monitored by others, who are not so friendly to the Church. Something for you to look forward to! Maybe. You must admit, Publion does come up with some good quips, like "popcorn, please!" And going to the bathroom mirror, for affirmation. I know Jim wishes he were dead, but eventually it comes to us all.

    Jim – there's an old saying:"I'd sooner believe in God, and when I die, find out I was wrong, than not believe in God, and when I die, find out I was wrong".

    Pax Marty – your "p"c – marty

    • Dan says:

      I see your reseaching old posts. Check out what I just wrote 20 minutes ago on the previous article "Fact Check". Here I'll give you the line that happens to line up with your being impressed with publiars immaturity and toilet sarcasm. "How do you catholics defend and kiss the ass of a liar? Is there no honesty in your cult?" Apparently not!  servant of Truth

    • Marty says:

      Dan – just finished deliverance prayer for you and Jim! You have to get off the jack chick soapbox, and he has to get off the al Goldstein soapbox. Yes, I'm looking up old posts. It's great that Jesus cured you of your arthritis! It's the power of the Lord! Maybe He'll heal you in other ways. I believe in miricles too! There was a situation once , with the police reserve, where my life was saved, through the Church, not the reserve. But that's more time travel,   maybe someday.      

             Publion is cool, calm, and collected, dissects what you and Jim says well. What can you say? He's not getting emotional, like you, me, or Jim. Wish I could do the same, but that's not me. His 3rd person replies, might be due to the fact that during an exorcism, you don't converse with the devil. I don't know.

             I, for one, have purchased more microwave popcorn, and look at my bathroom mirror different. Didn't know it could have such power!

           Pax Marty! – your "p"c- marty                                                        

             

  66. Publion says:

    On then to ‘Dan’s of the 8th at 1130PM:

    Here ‘Dan’ tries – as so very often – to wiggle out of a hole he has dug for himself with this or that claim, accusation, and assertion.

    Specifically, he claims that “nothing suggests that ‘Linus’ was a pope or that he succeeded Peter, who wasn’t a pope either”.

    Let’s pass over quickly the fact that all the ancient lists of the Popes that we have name Peter as the first and Linus as his successor.

  67. Publion says:

    Continuing with my comment on ‘Dan’s of the 8th at 1130PM:

    The deeper aspect of his stuff here is his claim that there were no Popes at all, starting with Peter and going all the way along through Linus (2nd) and on up through Miltiades (Pope during the reign of Constantine) and up to the present. None of them were Popes … ?

    The basic historical whackness of his assertion is evident.

    The deeper problem for him – to repeat yet again – is the theological whackness: we have Christ’s Great Commission to Peter, who would be “the rock” upon whom Jesus would “build [His] church”, including the power of the keys (to bind and loose sins). And ‘Dan’ has consistently (and slyly) avoided and evaded that profound problem that the Biblical text poses for his whole anti-religion/Catholic/Church project.

    For ‘Dan’, of course, the only church is that of “True Christians” (ID card issued by ‘Dan’) and not any “man-made religion”. That pretty much covers all extant versions of Christianity and leaves just – had you been waittttttttttingggggggggg forrrrrrrrr ittttttttttttttttt? – ‘Dan’ and the wonderland crew in his bathroom mirror and perhaps anybody who might take ‘Dan’ for being the Mind and Mouth of God.

  68. Publion says:

    On then to ‘Dan’s of the 8th at 1152PM:

    Mary “hardly mentioned” in the New Testament? But what ‘mentions’ they are: she’s visited by an angel – and the archangel Gabriel, to boot, whom “God sent” specifically to her – who announces that she is “highly favored” and would be the Mother of “the Son of the Most High” (Luke 1: 26-38).

    This, surely, is not something that happens to the average human being. (But perhaps ‘Dan’s basic reliance on his frequent, if not daily, bathroom mirror apparitions have led him to think that this sort of thing happens a whole lot).

    Or has ‘Dan’ not “read the Bible” – or at least not Luke’s Gospel … ? That actually wouldn’t be surprising; ‘Dan’s doesn’t like to deal with material that makes his own stuff look screwy.

    And the rest of his comment trails off with more of his usual bleating and braying.

    • Dan says:

      Read, if you can even read the Bible, in Luke 1, Marys Song of Praise, verses 46-55. It demonstrates Marys humility and she doesn't promote herself as the "Queen of Heaven" and other catholic lies. She states, "God my Savior", "God All-Powerful", "My Lord", "God has blessed me", "He cares for me" "He, He, He,etc.. Mary asks no one to pray to her, bow to her or Hail me! She never says pray the Rosary, Come to me your Mother of Mercy, our life, our sweetness and our hope. NO, these are all catholic lies that have changed the humble, sinful, once virgin Mary into the pagan catholic "Queen of Heaven", goddess of idolatry. Your church has lied and continues to lie to you, and changes humble, beautiful people of the Bible into horrible figures of idolatry.

      "For there is no distinction: for all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus ,,," Romans 3:22-24

      How long will you let these lying charlatans misinterpret the Lords' Word and keep you from knowing the truth. They are evil personified and care nothing for your souls.  servant

    • Dan says:

      "Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you with speculation about what he has seen. Such a man is puffed up without basis by his unspiritual mind …"  Colossians 2:18

      So when you read the book of Luke, don't cherry pick what suits your puffed up unspiritual mind, but rather read the whole chapter in context, so you can really understand where Mary is coming from. Don't lean on these so-called visions of Mary (Lourdes, Fatima, Guadelupe, etc.), especially when the requests in these visions do not line up with Biblical Truths. Mary from the Bible will not appear telling you to repeat and babble a prayer to her, when the only ones you should pray to or worship is God and His Son, Jesus. How are you to know if these visions didn't come from Satan himself, for he was even given power to rain down fire from heaven.

      "For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders that would deceive even the elect, if that were possible."  Matthew 24:24

      Catholics, do not allow these lying charlatans and false teachers, with all their puffed up visions and excitements over angels, trick you into adoring false gods or goddesses. Your Savior is Christ alone, and he is in no need of intercession or any co-mediatrix. If you think so then you're subtracting from the power of his sacrifice and the precious blood that was shed for your forgiveness is then null and void. Don't allow the devils deceivers to trick you into believing in a false gospel and not the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

       

  69. Publion says:

    And from JR on the 9th at 445PM we merely get another drive-by bit, again from Facebook, this time about “the butterfly effect”. Readers may consider it as they may, either for what it says about the butterfly effect or what it reveals about JR.

  70. Jim Robertson says:

    PubLIAR,

    The 61.4% of claims against all Australian churches, are against the Austrailian catholic church are facts. Pretending they aren't is typical of your type of religious LIAR.

    Marty, If God existed don't you think he'd tell you and the rest of us and not have some  barely literate bronze age patriarchs scribbling nonsense as "proof" of his being?

    If you only shut up about your faith and then died. Fine I'd have no problem but no it's worse. You want your beliefs taken as truth. Truth requires proof. you have no proof. You just believe.

  71. Jim Robertson says:

    I'm a shill for atheism? a shill? Jesus Marty you are so dumb it hurts me for you.

    You're a shill for God. I never collected a dime for atheism. No donations required. Unlike religion.

    • Marty says:

        Jim – thanks for being hurt for me!  Well, I'm only "p"c, so what can you expect. You donate by paying taxes. Look at pbs. Have they helped the homeless? Orphans? Divorced? Drug addicts? Well, on and on. I'm hurt for you too! No, I don't want to lick rectums

      Pax Marty – your "p"c – marty

  72. Jim Robertson says:

    Augustine gave Hell to Christianity. Like you give Hell to truth, Pliar.

     

  73. Jim Robertson says:

    Gee a corrupt Catholic judge. Amazing!

    I am an atheist and? So what? Marty.

     

    • Marty says:

      Jim – well, the so what, is that it's a religion of negativity. Just tear down. Many times, it's disciples have a life changing, unexplainable event in life, and are lucky they can come back to something. The something they tried to destroy. But they did much damage in the process. I have an atheist friend , who always makes sure , when I visit him, to see his latest negative, from freedom from religion to American atheist. You use your math "no proof = no belief = no God", but negative = not positive. Why not use your negativity ,and time ,to go after the pornography industry? It's an obscene click away for everyone! It destroys people. You'd be doing good fighting it.

           Be safe, brother, with the mud in ca. if you're still there. I don't think it's near SF. Perhaps out of the bad, comes a good, as maybe it'll disrupt the "Capitol" of the porn industry. There was another s. Cal. ex-Catholic , frank Zappa, who made an albumn, "we're only in it for the money". You didn't comment about the "Panama red".

      Pax Marty – your "p"c – marty

  74. Jim Robertson says:

    Wow! The FBI never claimed that figure after the '90's right about the time the Catholic church was being called out. How many retired FBI agents worked for the church in our investigations. Here's the trick Phole, Each victim claimed separately and not as a mass our abuses. We didn't organize to protect our lies, according to you, therefore we were all individually claimants who were as any claiment pre the late 90's and the FBI report. We were subject to the same demographics as the pre'90's report because each of us filed alone. In other words we didn't organize to sue we sued and were then "organized' ,really controlled, by SNAP and never acted as a group.  All we weakly did as a group was demonstrate as a new scandal hit. We never organized to attack the church as victims. Remember. SNAP said we were just there to protect your Catholic children from being abused. That was our "attack." as a group.

    I want you to die because trying to be logical with a propagandist is useless. You'll never quit lying here until you die. I want that to happen as quickly and as painfully as possible. juvenile I may be. 70 I surely am. Killing you would simply be a virtueous act. 

  75. Jim Robertson says:

    Take your rosary beads and place them where the sun don't shine, Martin. They'll do you more good there than any place else. Pax vobiscum baby.

    • Marty says:

      Well, I suppose you might remember in grammar school, we prayed for the conversion of the Soviet Union.  Now look! Theyre a Christian society, far more than us!

  76. Jim Robertson says:

    Yes Marty death comes to us all including to the ArchBishops.

    If there were a god, how do you think "he'd" judge them? Passing molesters to new innocent children with never a warning. That's what they did and why no one's on your side.

    You may pretend we are liars doing it for money. We aren't liars. It happened. Why do you need to doubt us? Keeping the perfect faith alive in your breasts? You are the liars here and you don't care who you harm to do it.

     

    • Marty says:

      We all pay in the end! I don't want to harm anyone, just try to defend the Church.

      Pax Marty- your "p"c – marty

    • Jim Robertson says:

      Marty all you have in Russia is the church as second in command with the state not Christianity.

      Christianity was supposed to be about love and understanding. In Russia now, as everywhere, religion is about power and control and never about love and empathy.

      You spend less than 20 cents a year on PBS if that. Why wouldn't you want to support the arts? They do more for the human mind and happiness  and the general good than religion ever will.

      Marty you say you are here to defend the church. No one's attacking it. We are simply calling out your criminals IN the church. They who hide in the church so that they can pretend the faith is under attack so you will protect them by confusing them and their crimes with your faith. 

      If you did the right thing and fired those who've betrayed your children and you. You would hear nothing but hossanahs.  We victims would praise you; your sense of justice and do right  corrective actions. But no this you will not do because you've swallowed the Kool-Aid. And that's your part in the continuation of these crimes against your own children and our families.

  77. Jim Robertson says:

    Oh I'm not "veiling" anything about my wanting you dead, Veronica. I'll gladly do it myself. All i need do is go to court with every lie and aspersion you've made about me here and no jury would condemn me. they'd thank me.

     

    • Marty says:

      Now, now, you know he won't reply directly! Jesus said satan is a liar and a murderer from the beginning. The jury would not thank you.

          You've probably set in motion to have you internet monitored ,with talk like that!

      Pax Marty – your "p"c – marty

       

  78. Jim Robertson says:

    Dan, Yes Bishop Spong.

  79. malcolm harris says:

    On the 10th JR says to Publion…"truth requires proof, you have not proof, you just believe". Well… believe is not entirely a leap of faith. Although when we do believe, faith and hope is needed. But in regard to proof, I just have to look at my neck and wrists, because can see I don't have chains. In the so-called "Glory that was Greece" we know that half the population were slaves. Ditto the Roman Empire that followed, The slaves had no more rights than a horse or a cow. The religion that Jesus gave us slowly freed us from slavery. There was no freeing of slaves without divine inspiration. The brave Spartacus failed….remember?

    • Dan says:

      Sorry to inform you Malcolm, but you're still a slave to the lies of your false religion, and that is a far worse slavery than an earthly one. Unless you wake up and free yourself from your mental slavery, you will pay an eternal price and that I'm afraid will not be pretty.

      "Emancipate yourself from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free our minds." – Bob Marley – "Redemption Song" – Check it out. Pretty good message.

    • Jim Robertson says:

      I am Spartacus, Marty.

      Wage slavery exists today if you have a job or even if you don't. So let's not pretend it doesn't exist, and too American prisons are a continuation of slavery. In reality slavery transformed/morphed into the lie of a relative "liberty". as long as you can pay for everything you need. If you can not you are less free than those who can.

    • Jim Robertson says:

      Excuse me my last response was meant for Malcolm.

      My Death wish is reserved as always for for Pubic-Con.

      Satan, Marty? Why did your God make a Hell? How could an all good all knowing all powerful God of Love make a place where people burn with out end? Does that make any sense to you? An all good God would never even think of Hell. Let alone create one.

       

  80. Amateur Brain Surgeon says:

    Come to Christ and kick your ignorance of Mary to the curb. All adoration, veneration, reverence and worship of anyone besides God and His Christ is nothing but idolatry and amounts to lies from the devil himself

    Dear Dan. Claiming Catholics worship Mary is a very old, and idiotic, charge that was answered by Saint Aughustine in "City of God."

    He asked those making the charge to cite any Liturgical texts showimg is as worshippimg Mary.  None existed then, none exist now, but that wil not stop hysterical barbarians like your own self from making hateful charges.

    Other may have the time and patiencde to deal with your heresies and hatred but the New Testament teaches we Christians to mark as heretics and then avoid men like your own self.

    Adios, Ace 

  81. Dan says:

    "Grab your torches and pitchforks!" Lets boil his bones in hot oil or lets burn him at the stake. I'd like to say adios to all you goddess worshipping idolators. I'm the heretic for not agreeing with your idolatry? You guys are a joke.

    Let's see – We pray to Mother Mary and we say HAIL MARY, full of grace!" We pray to God the Creator of heaven and earth and greet him with, "our father, who art in heaven." You don't hear the difference. One is exalted and worshipped and it's not the right one.

    The Rosary – We pray 10 times to Mary, 1 time to God, 10 more times to Mary, 1 more time to God, etc.etc.. Now you give 10 times more prayer to a human being and 1/10th the amount of prayer to God who created you, and you're going to tell me you don't worship her. Are you kidding or have they so indoctrinated and brainwashed you that you don't know who you worship?

    "And when you pray, do not babble on like pagans, for they think that by their many words they will be heard." Matthew 6:7

    "But when you pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking." (KJV)

    So Christs' words on the all important Sermon on the Mount says that if you pray the Rosary, repeating your prayers, then your a pagan or heathen. So deny your worship of her and pray to your virgin until the eyes pop out of your head and I'll boil them and make a stew out of you. Adios idiota!

    • Marty says:

      Dan – is that supposed to be some Transylvanian type of mob all wearing Catholic school uniforms? Ijust finished a rosary, no pop out eyes, so no need for stew. What happens when the mirror cracks?

      Pax Marty – your "p"c – marty

  82. Jim Robertson says:

    What if Mary had refused God's impregnation. She had no choice in the matter? Well we have a name for that. Was Jesus the child of a rape? And she was a child. Your God's morals need a makeover.

    • Dan says:

      Come on, Jim, we're grasping at straws now? Mary was raped by God? "God's morals need a makeover"? I can think of a few people in this forum who could use a makeover. I haven't heard anything from your plans for humanity that sounds at all that inviting. Criticizing the "morals" of our perfect Creator? I guess from what we've gleaned from your morals, must give you every right to question God's.

  83. Jim Robertson says:

    Jesus said Satan was a murderer? He couldn't beat God. One tsunami = a quarter of a million people DEAD. Who's the bigger killer?

    • Dan says:

      "Stop being afraid of those who kill the body but can't kill the soul. Instead, be afraid of the one who can destroy both body and soul in hell."  Matthew 10:28

      We know you don't accept that there is a hell or heaven. The catholic church didn't invent hell, because hell was described and mentioned in Old Testament writings.

      "And they shall go out and look on the dead bodies of the men who have rebelled against Me. For their worm shall not die, their fire shall not be quenched, and they shall be an abhorrence to all flesh."  Isaiah 66:24

    • malcolm harris says:

      On Jan 12th JR asks us to remember a catastrophic natural disaster… such as a tsunami that killed a quarter of a million people. He then blames all of this on God…..not nature, but God. His argument relies heavily on the failure of people to think. For example if he were correct, then it is also God's fault… when I walk under a palm tree… and a coconut falls on my head?  Because both incidents, although different in magnitude, are  both consequences of the natural world.  What Christians are praying for is divine protection from the bad things in this world, whether natural or caused by people. But having said that, we know that bad things still happen to good people. This is a  beyond our understanding, or maybe their suffering is to redeem their sins …or the sins of the world in general. Incidentally, in my own lifetime. medical science has been challenged by observed suffering, and been motivated  to find cures. Maybe God wants man to progress using individual talents and inspiration. I think many of our inspirations come from God.

  84. Jim Robertson says:

    Marty I like you. You are whacky in a decent if goofy kind of way. 

    My wish for P's death took a long time coming. years of his dismissels and lies just added up to him being better off in the bosum of Abraham. Gay though that may be.

    Pax unto you Marty. And since you aren't PC why do you claim p.c. in your sign out? Person of color?

    • Marty says:

      Jim – well thanks Jim, it's too bad we're on different sides of the fence. You know, I'm not some "new rider of the purple sage" here to do "dirty business"! There is nothing wrong with art on pbs, but someday, they will try to pass off "piss Christ" as art, and put it on the airwaves. Watch and see, it might happen. In your 1/12/18 206pm post you stated I give .20 a year, but they can send it back to me. Their political agenda is anti Catholic.

             You haven't been as virulent al Goldstein in the last few posts, so good. You know, my biological brother is homosexual. But that's more time travel. Maybe soon. 

            Last month finished reading "An Exorcist Tells His Story" – Gabriele Amorth. It's 25 yrs old but timeless. He's a knowledgable priest, that performed thousands of exorcisms. Good prayers in the back of the book.

           I'm "p"c, due to your 1/4/18 1123pm post calling me "people's" clown, so…

      Pax Marty – your "p"c – marty

  85. Publion says:

    On then to ‘Dan’s of the 10th at 135AM:

    Faced with the historical problems with JR’s Facebook-based assertion (the 8th at 1048AM) that Augustine invented hell, ‘Dan’ merely seeks to evade with something about me “spending eternity” in “hell”. Tossing in the juvenile myah-myah epithetical “liar”, which is ‘Dan’s go-to myah-myah epithetical when he’s got nothing else.

  86. Publion says:

    On then to ‘Dan’s of the 10th at 212AM:

    Here ‘Dan’ simply tosses up the only bit he’s got in regard to Federal Judge Schiltz’s assessment of the settlement cases over which he presided: since Judge Schiltz is a Catholic, he must therefore be dismissed as “sympathetic” and therefore, apparently, must be presumably untrustworthy.

    Using ‘Dan’s own ‘logic’ here, then just about all –and perhaps all – of ‘Dan’s stuff must be presumably untrustworthy because ‘Dan’ is the head of a rival church, i.e. the church-of-‘Dan’-in-the-bathroom-mirror, to which ‘church’ ‘Dan’ is not only “sympathetic” but actually for which ‘Dan’ claims indisputable Divine warrant – as his bathroom mirror has assured him.

    As to my point concerning the primarily “historical” nature of claims, ‘Dan’ merely quotes it, trying to wish-it-away epithetically as just more “ignorance”. If the crew in ‘Dan’s bathroom mirror is in any way supernatural, they are not interested in improving any of his capacities for logicical thinking; nor do they even provide him with a wider range of epithet.

    And can ‘Dan’ demonstrate that the vast majority of these ‘historical’ cases are genuine and valid? He does not because he cannot. He has only his own self-serving presumptions, which his gameplan here requires him to accept as genuine prima facie.

  87. Publion says:

    On then to JR’s of the 10th at 149PM:

    Opening, of course, with an epithet, JR merely claims that “61.4%” of the “claims” in Australia “are against the Australian catholic church” and that they are “facts”.

    Again: the “claims” are “facts” only in the sense that they have indeed been lodged; but that does not make their content ‘factual’ – which is something else altogether. This is precisely the elision that the Stampede sought to amplify and establish as a knee-jerk presumption: if a “claim” is actually made, then its content is ipso facto actually “facts” or ‘factual’. This scam worked well enough for JR – though he resents the swag it cost him for an attorney to pull it off.

    As to who is a “LIAR” (scream-caps retained) here … readers may judge as they will.

  88. Publion says:

    On then to JR’s of the 10th at 153PM:

    Here – faced with the historical problems arising from his embrace of the Facebook Augustine-invented-hell bit – JR merely repeats his original junk accusation.

    This gambit actually bears an interesting similarity to tortie advice to clients with dubious claims: if you’re questioned, just look dumb and innocent and repeat your claim.

    It worked for JR back in the day. Not so much now.

  89. Publion says:

    On then to JR’s of the 10th at 211PM:

    Here, faced with my points about the FBI reporting problems, JR instantly reverts to his old standby: insinuation.

    Specifically, that somehow the FBI “never claimed the figure after the ‘90s” and this – had you been waitttingggg forrrrr itttttttttttttttt? – JR ties to an insinuation as to “ how many retired FBI agents worked for the church in our investigations”.

    Where to begin?

  90. Publion says:

    Continuing with my comment on JR’s of the 10th at 211PM:

    First, the FBI – as I said – only used those figures in the mid-1990s. But the Stampede didn’t begin until 2002.

    Second, of what relevance would a (I only know of one) retired FBI agent be here? JR would prefer that you jump to the conclusions rather than expose his insinuation scam by saying so himself. Is the retired agent Catholic … and if so, so what?

    The implied JR answer: Well, then you can’t trust him because … well, because all Catholics follow Rome’s instructions in everything … they’re all in cahoots, doncha see? But I would point out that by that same logic, the allegants were in cahoots – under the guidance of the overall tortie strategy … so how can you trust them?

    Was JR’s hugely dubious case (we recall it took a lot of extra money and effort to get his claim shoehorned into the big LA settlement) investigated by an FBI agent or retired agent? What difference would it have made, given the necessity of the Archdiocese going along with its insurers’ classic settle-rather-than-contest strategy?

  91. Publion says:

    Continuing with my comment on JR’s of the 10th at 211PM:

    Then a bit about “each victim claimed separately and not as a mass”. By the time a) the press had widely-publicized what I call the Stampede while effectively inviting any and all comers to try their luck and b) the individual claims had been run through the well-oiled machine of the classic tortie lawsuit strategy … they were all wrapped like individual chunks of meat into the great sausages of multiple-plaintiff lawsuits.

    JR then – it’s hard to follow his train of thought here – tries to make the point that in his own case he tried to do something “pre the late 90s”. Regular readers may recall JR’s doubt-inducing ‘explanations’ of how his claimed legal efforts in the early 1990s or whenever back then didn’t work.

    As to all of them being “individually claimants” … when the surf is up, people who like to surf may “individually” decide to toss their boards in the water and declare Kowabunga but that doesn’t mean that the possibilities offered by high surf didn’t inspire each of them in a similar way. The surf enables the surfers; the surfers don’t enable the surf.

  92. Publion says:

    Continuing with my comment on JR’s of the 10th at 211PM:

    His reasoning and grammar in the middle of the comment do – clearly – confuse, but then he gets beyond that by – had you been waitttinggggg forrrr itttt? – getting to one of his favorite bits: all of the potential allegants sued first and only then “were controlled by SNAP”.

    This bit seems to be going for the idea that all these “individuals” first initiated their own lawsuits and then and only then did they go to SNAP where they were – but of course – “controlled by SNAP”. This torturous time-line makes little if any sense at all. Why go to SNAP if you were already engaged in a lawsuit?

    And who doubts that – whatever the timeline – SNAP was an indentured agent of the torties (through Blaine’s meeting with Anderson) and “organized” the allegants to provide warm bodies for its salad-days demonstrations?

    As always, the more JR tries to ‘explain’ the more questions his stuff raises.

    • Jim Robertson says:

      Because our lawyers told us to go to SNAP meetings. I have told your lying ass that a hundred times.

  93. Publion says:

    Continuing with my comment on JR’s of the 10th at 211PM:

    But wait. There’s more.

    JR doth then claim that he “wants [me] to die” … because – doncha see? – “trying to be logical with a propagandist is useless” (tell me about it).

    This would presume that b) I am a “propagandist” and even more that a) JR’s sleazy hash of a presentation here is “logical”. Readers may consider and judge as they will.

    And then – and I do have to doff my hat in acknowledgement of a performance bordering on the masterful – JR doth don his fetching Wig of Total Innocence, in order to intone the aria Juvenile I May Be.

    Although – alas – whatever sympathetic image that bleat-fully intoned aria might elicit is rather largely dispelled as he quickly dons Horned Helmet and Spear; thus fortified, the Horned Chanteuse then doth suddenly level the Spear at me personally and bray that “Killing you would simply be a virtueous [sic] act”.

    JR not only can’t spell ‘virtuous’ but also appears rather unclear about its essence in the first place.

    But he likes to think of himself as virtuous. Oh my yes indeedy. As Margaret Rutherford’s marvelous Miss Marple would gently purr: “That must console you”.

  94. Publion says:

    Thus to JR’s of the 10th at 232PM:

    Still brandishing the Spear, JR then goes on a riffy self-indulgence about killing me because … and so on.

    What, Dear Readers … ? Did we think we weren’t dealing with this type of individual from the get-go?

    Nor, one might well imagine, is this the first time in his life JR figured he could put something over on a court.

    • Jim Robertson says:

      Hey idiots ever think that at the very least 92% of our claims were real?(According to the FBI) Events that really happened? No you can not think that way. you are the true victims and we are all liars. Well I wish we were all liars out to rob you.That nothing had ever happened to the vast majority of us and we had all robbed the sacred money of the bestests of all faiths but what happened did happen. And you fools are pretending it didn't so that you can be the injured party. The rapists blaming the raped. If there only was a real Hell you lot deserve it's flambe but it's not real  just like your false assertions aren't real.  What's wrong with hating liars or child molestors who happen to be Catholic and happened to use their clerical positions to reek even more havoc on their injured? Why wouldn't you hate that kind of Catholic?Morally you should be repulsed but you're not. Why exactly is that?

  95. Publion says:

    On then to ‘Dan’s of the 11th at 1212AM:

    Passing quickly over ‘Dan’s silly and childish “if you can even read the Bible” bit we get to the pericope ‘Dan’ has selected: Luke 1:46-55, often referred to as the Canticle of Mary.

    At first reading, one might well wonder if ‘Dan’ had put up the wrong pericope; the Canticle pretty much wrecks his prior brays about Mary being a Catholic goddess. But then it might dawn that ‘Dan’ can see only what he wants to see, even if the contradictions are staring him in the face.

    Thus, Mary here refers to “God, my savior” and refers to herself as God’s “handmaid” and a bit further on that “the Mighty One has done great things for me” … these are not the words of a divinity, but rather of a human highly-favored by God (as the archangel Gabriel would tell her).

    Yet she quickly adds that “henceforth all generations will call me blessed”. Which is very much exactly how the Church and Catholics view her.

    We can thus let ‘Dan’ babble on with his usual ranting talking-points, apparently completely unaware of what he has unleashed against his own agenda with his selection of this pericope.

  96. Publion says:

    On then to ‘Dan’s of the 11th at 1103AM:

    Here, faced with Scriptural texts that confound his preferred agenda, ‘Dan’ – as so often – brays against those who would “cherry pick” among Scripture.

    This bit of posturing fails.

    First, a pericope is – not to put too fine a point on it – “in the Bible”, as the fundies like to say (when it suits them). Do some pericopes not promote one’s preferred claims or do some pericopes even confound one’s preferred claims? But yet they are all right there “in the Bible”. What’s an agenda-driven ‘Bible-based’ kinda guy to do? Eazy-peezy: claim that you have gone and ‘cherry picked’.

    But second, doesn’t ‘Dan’ do a great deal of ‘cherry picking’ on his own? And then lards onto his own pericopes interpretations that cannot comport with the text, so that he then has to go and invent a “prophecy” from God to try and make the Bible text do what he wants it to do even though the text actually doesn’t do it … ?

    That’s his game. That’s his scam.

  97. Publion says:

    Continuing with my comment on ‘Dan’s of the 11th at 1103AM:

    And then – with sublime lack of self-awareness from a “prophecy”-inventor such as himself – he adjures readers not to “lean on these so-called visions of Mary”, moving historically to various manifestations such as Lourdes and so forth.

    What? We are to “lean on” ‘Dan’s ranty bits but not on experiences witnessed by numerous human beings such as Fatima or the many healings at Lourdes that even non-Catholic doctors have pronounced medically impossible … ?

    And of course, those “Biblical Truths” ‘Dan’ likes to point to are merely his own ranty bits and takes on the pericopes he likes to “cherry pick” from Scripture for his own agenda.

    And who doth “babble” here?

    And then – with a further sublime lack of self-awareness – ‘Dan’ doth inveigh against “false prophets” … really, now. Has he not just recently finished delivering precisely such an example of a “prophecy” on this site?

    • Dan says:

      publiar, your deceitfulness is reaching new heights. I've explained in detail how the catholic church has idolized Mary, making her a "false Christ". The cults claims that Mary was immaculately conceived and has never sinned, you bow and "babble" prayer to her, Assumed into Heaven, and you believe she is your source of mercy, life, sweetness and hope. With these catholic teachings, you have replaced Jesus Christ with a false version of a savior, even naming her your pagan goddess, "Queen of Heaven".

      According to the verse, Matthew 24:24, Christ says, "For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders that would deceive even the elect, if that were possible." Knowing this, your catholic version of Mary, as a "false Christ" would have the power to perform great signs and wonders (miracles). So Fatima, Lourdes, Padre Pio and all the rest of your false visions and visionaries can easily be explained as being done by Satans' power and not from God at all. Thus even "non-catholic doctors" would pronounce these phenomenon as "medically impossible", that doesn't mean they didn't come from the power of evil. Have you not witnessed the false christian TV ministers, claiming to slay in the Spirit and heal people of all illnesses. Since you claim the catholic church as the One True Church, then how do you explain how their miracle power exists. All of you, charlatans, deceiving evil personified.

  98. Publion says:

    Continuing with my comment on ‘Dan’s of the 11th at 1103AM:

    And then – with a further sublime lack of self-awareness – he tries to bring his performance home by instructing “Catholics” (thanks for the capitalization, for a change) not to “allow these lying charlatans and false teachers” and so forth.

    He then wades into actual theological assertion (never a good idea for ‘Dan’ with only his pile of 3x5s and the acclamations he intuits from his bathroom mirror). Thus the conclusion (dear to some fundies) that if you accept Mary as an intercessor then you render Christ’s sacrifice “null and void” – no human being can effect such a result.

    Mary’s role is God’s acknowledgement of the tremendous sacrifices Mary made in faith a) accepting Gabriel’s words and b) watching her only son – God’s Son – die so horribly. She, as human, retained her faith – when even Christ on the Cross wondered if His Father had not forsaken Him – and stands today as a human intercessor whom a human might approach more easily than Christ or the awesome Father Himself.

    All of this appears, of course, utterly unnecessary to ‘Dan’, since it is actually ‘Dan’ who considers himself the one oh-so-speshully favored, as his bathroom mirror has assured him. ‘Dan’s jealousy towards what he apparently sees as his ‘rival’ Mary … is what it is.

    • Dan says:

      With more deceit, now you wish to claim that Mary "retained her faith", when even Christs' faith wavered, and she "stands today as a human intercessor whom a human might approach more easily than Christ or the awesome Father Himself". I would imagine this to be true for catholic cowards, sexual pedophiles and perverts and habitual liars like yourself, too chicken and obviously guilty to face the "awesome Father". Mary is dead and waiting for her Judgment Day, so if you prefer praying to the dead or asking the dead for help, then so be it.

      As if the deceiver hasn't lied enough, now he wants to claim my "jealousy" of my " 'rival' Mary". I have absolutely no "jealousy" of the idolatry of catholic Mary, nor any "jealousy" of any catholics idolaters. I can only sympathize with all the ignorance of your cults' habitual lies and liars. Time to slither back down into your rabbit hole, you lying accusing snake.  servant

  99. malcolm harris says:

    Liked Publion's comment on the 12th at 2.O2pm. Partcularly when he said that the surf enables the surfers… the surfers don't make the surf. And when the surf is up, the individual surfers get the same idea, to go ride the waves. Sums up the the pile-on phenomenon rather well. And that particular PBS  program, recently, that enabled the Catholic haters to pour their vitriol, was an attempt to create more surf.  Just like those old primitive witch-doctors doing a rain dance to bring about abundant harvests. But I'm kinda hoping that this is like a last hurrah. 

    • Marty says:

      Malcolm – yes, but some of their problems are that not all have waxed their board well, and will suffer the consequence. But they're still all out to "hang 10".

      Pax Marty – marty

    • Jim Robertson says:

      Malcolm You lve in Australia where a multi-year investigation of institutional sex abuse has just ended. The figures please for the amount of "surfers"who went against the Catholic church as compared to the Anglican or Jehovah's Witnesses?  Just tell the truth. And if you could give percentile of Catholics in Australia overall. Even though I I know you think all claims are fake. There has been a hearing publicly chaired by your fellow citizens and what did they have to say? You know if your church hadn't enabled perpetrators and protected them you wouldn't be in this position. You just can't seem to do the right thing. And the cherry on top of your horror shake is to blame us victims and brand us as liars. You are from my POV extraordinary. Then you add P-hole with his evil crap and I think: Why? Why would people behave so badly?

      Dan you cling to your faith it's working so well for you. I'm sorry you are so alone.

       

       

    • Dan says:

      Oh yeah! publiars analogy of the surf was terrific. Let's see God's analogy describing the sex abuse crimes of your cult's priests against innocent children, using water in His description:

      "But the wicked are like the tossing sea; for it cannot be quiet, and it's waters toss up mire and dirt."  Isaiah 57:20

      "These men are springs without water and mists driven by a storm. Blackest darkness is reserved for them.  2 Peter 2:17

      "They are wild waves of the sea, foaming up their own shame; wandering stars, for whom the blackest darkness has been reserved forever."  Jude 1:13

      "Woe to the wicked! It will go badly with him, For what he deserves will be done to him." Isaiah 3:11

      When will you catholics quit being impressed and puffed up with the ignorance of lying man and listen to God's Word, repent and be truly remorseful, and maybe you'll have the chance of being forgiven. Your cult is way past any chance of forgiveness and if you keep defending their disgusting sins, you will go down with the ship. Excuse the pun.  servant of the One True God

    • Dan says:

      Jim, why do you think I'm so alone? You're listening to the lies of publiar in regards to me? I'm far from alone Jim. I have more friends than I've ever have had in my life, just happens I've gained more enemies from all these false religions of hypocrisy. Funny thing is they look at me as an enemy, because they're too brainwashed to realize that I'm really here to help them. Sad how Satan can truly blind the eyes, deafen the ears and keep them from knowing and coming to God's truth.  servant of the One and Only True God

    • Marty says:

      And many strive to be a Honolulu lulu, as "queen of the surfer girls" , and are not satisfied with "surfin u.s.a"

  100. Marty says:

    Dan – it's good to see you getting off the jack chick soapbox now and then.

    1/12/18  11:55am , 1/12/18 1205 pm, shows you trying to be decent. You know your mention of "Catholic "poppycock"theology" includes poppycock, a higher calorie popcorn, almond with glaze. Best is artificial butter.

    Pax Marty – your "p"c – marty

  101. Jim Robertson says:

    Vickie Vitriol be back! And spelling is her forte. Fuck you! You dick wad! Fuck you from the bottom of my church rich heart. I lied and I've got yer money.  HA! Every victim has lied. Yet you are the biggest liar of all. You lie about religion, sexual abuse, people's personal history. Nothing human is sacred to you jerks.

    But hold on the vast majority of victims have gotten no money. Dear oh dear I guess our "lil" fraud hasn't worked Ol' Jeebus mus be on your side. Scumbags!

    And Vickie killing you would be a pleasure. Another gem for my throne in heaven.

    Why am I supposed to be ashamed of wanting to kill you P?

    Why is that such a terrible idea? To know you is to want to kill you.

     

  102. Donald Link says:

     

     

    Jim Robertson's comment should never have been allowed on this site.  Someone was asleep at the wheel.

    A side note:  There have been efforts for decades to stop the public finding of PBS and NPR for good reason.  It is simply not a function of government to finance opinion.  That can be done by those wishing to spread their message.  For those in favor of continuing this funding, remamber that one day it may be your beliefs that are ridiculed and nailed to the wall.

    • Dan says:

      Let's be perfectly clear, Donald Link, it's not just your "beliefs that are ridiculed", but more the disgusting child molesting crimes of your clergy, the churches shuffling of those criminals to harm more children, the secrecy and deceiving hiding of those crimes, the business as usual attitude of "the church" and the false teachings of your cult that are being questioned. It's not the moral authority as it claims, nor the pure true church of God Almighty. If your claim is that "the church" is being persecuted, than NO, it's only getting what it deserves and brought upon itself.

  103. Jim Robertson says:

    I agree Donald. My post shouldn't have appeared. But I just get so fucking tired of being lied about. I came here to be as honest as humanly possible and I hit the conservative Catholic horror show. Where the dead matter more than the living. Where lies are passed off as truth.

    Donald who finances opinion for the poor? The disenfranchised? If the govt. doesn't do it the owner class will and we know who benefits from that. My beliefs have been ridiculed and nailed to a wall all my life. I'm a Communist and I'm gay. What you object to is any criticism of your beliefs and that's free speach you are fighting. I've lived through decades of loathing and misrepresentation and laws that enforced that. Who has made a law against your religion? No one. you're pissed that you've been called out for your crimes against your own children. Accept it happened apologize and give reparation and move on with your victims by your side not our perpetrators.

    Marty would rather read books about demons. And demons possessing people while his country (assuming he's American) supports the slaughter of millions of his fellow men in real life. Real life not scarey kiddie stories. Seems he skipped the Age of Reason.

    How many of you listen to Rush and or watch Fox News? How many of you are from the Mid-West. What's your educatuion levels more importantly what do you read? Who do you read?

  104. Jim Robertson says:

    education obviously.

     

  105. Jim Robertson says:

    Hello from The Virgin Mary. I'm inspiring Jim to write what I want to happen.

    "Dan I'm dead. Dead as a doornail. I'm a contraption that people, real people love. I help them through their troubles My boy is so busy helping his Dad run the universe and everything. So I get all his excess prayers. I do a little sorting and give him the big ones to handle. I'm like his secretary. Every now and then I make personal appearance usually encouraging springs, tourism, hotels and gift shops. But you know Dan people feel easier talking to a woman sometimes. Even imaginary ones, like me and they pray and think and go on with their lives. Their trips to meet me mean something to them. Even if I'm not here. I'll not answer the prayers. my son will not answer them either but like the devotions once made to Apollo or Aphrodite  these prayers fall upon the wind and still people go on.

    Have a nice day Dan and don't be so rigid. In my son's house their are many mansions.

    Yours truely the V.M."

    • Dan says:

      Wow Jim, now that I know she speaks through you, I'm convinced that she must be the real deal. I think I'll go dumpster diving and see if I can find the rosary beads and statues I threw away 50 years ago. Maybe I'll even have a vision while I'm digging through the muck and mire. LOL

    • Jim Robertson says:

      Dan Catholics believe as is their right that they don't worship Mary they honor her.  They use the Rosary beads because they want to and it's their tradition. They tell every Catholic child not to worship Mary or the statues. The statues are just reminders of the "real" deal in Heven.

      Catholics have I mis-stated your POV?

    • Jim Robertson says:

      Heaven.

       

  106. Jim Robertson says:

    There not their.

  107. Publion says:

    On then to JR”s of the 13th at 1139PM:

    The epithetical opening is a reliable tip-off that there isn’t going to be too much substance to whatever follows.

    Here JR merely repeats his bit about the mid-1990s FBI numbers, ignoring the profound difference between a) the mere fact that a claim has been made and b) the question of whether the claim is factual in its content. For JR – whether for mere rhetorical purposes or because he can’t really think things through or both – the difference between (a) and (b) cannot be considered.

    But that evasion thus grounds his further riffing, bleating as to “liars” and presuming to speak for and make claims about “the vast majority of” … (slyly) “us”. And so on. Anyway, so what if they might have “robbed the sacred money of the bestests” (sic) … ? It’s not that bad when there’s more of it where that came from, doncha see?

    But who’s “pretending” here? It’s JR who’s doing that, “pretending” that most of the claims were genuine (including his own). I’ve only pointed out the notably problematic elements with the Stampede.

  108. Publion says:

    On then to ‘Dan’s of the 13th at 842PM:

    Here ‘Dan’ tries to start the play at second or third base rather than with an at-bat: he wishes readers to presume that his various bits constitute a sufficient and convincing ‘explanation in detail’ as to his bleats and brays about Mary as – had you been waittttingggggggggggg forrrrrrr itttttttttt? – “a false Christ”.

    ‘Dan’ doesn’t see – and probably can’t allow himself to see – the rather profound difference between a) a mere recitation of his 3×5 bits and b) a convincing explication and demonstration of his 3×5 bits.

    And – with a marvelous demonstration of lack of self-awareness – he then goes on to quote Matthew about “false prophets”; this from somebody who has recently put up what he claims is a “prophecy” (from God through ‘Dan’ or somebody who lives with him) on this site.

    He proffers one new twist: in the matter of Lourdes miracles, perhaps they are “medically impossible” but maybe that just means that they came from the Devil. Hmmmm, and maybe the crew in his bathroom mirror comes from that source as well … it surely hasn’t been demonstrated to be otherwise, and it is certainly possible that even the Devil can quote Scripture.

  109. Publion says:

    On then to ‘Dan’s of the 13th at 908PM:

    Here ‘Dan’ now claims as “deceit” – on what authority one might wonder – that Mary “retained her faith” during the Crucifixion.  Does ‘Dan’ have any Biblical evidence to contradict my statement?

    He does not. Instead – ridiculously – he simply unloads a larding of epithets, leading up to the queasily juvenile bit about Catholics etc. being “too chicken and obviously guilty to face the “awesome Father”.

    Since Mary was given so exalted a position by the Father, and since it’s – in the Catholic vision – “all in the family” up there in the Heavenly Throne room … ‘Dan’s objection remains merely an artifact of his fundie and personal agenda and animus.

    Oh, and ‘Dan’ hereby declares that he entertains no jealousy whatsoeverinanywayatall in regard to who qualifies for the title Queen of Heaven. Methinks ‘Dan’ doth protest too much.

  110. Publion says:

    On then to JR’s of the 13th at 152PM:

    The Horned Helmet and (plastic) Spear are brandished vigorously here.

    On the basis of his performance here in this comment it seems quite possible to me that those long-ago high-school administrators were not inaccurate in their original estimation: JR is a vengeful, other-blaming sorta guy and if you cross him (failing him in a subject, say) then he’s gonna getcha you betcha. Half a century and more later and JR’s merely gone further down that darkling road.

    It’s JR who has now said that “every victim has lied” – I have never said any such thing.

    He then claims – yet again – that “the vast majority of victims have gotten no money”. And the basis for that claim? He has no basis; it’s just a bit to gussy up his own preferred cartoon.

    And if he is to be believed in his querulous concluding plaints, he honestly and genuinely cawn’t think why he should “be ashamed of” wanting to kill me nor “why [that should be] such a terrible idea”. It certainly appears from these ‘questions’ that those high-school administrators were on to something half a century and more ago.

  111. malcolm harris says:

    The only reason I read comments from JR, and Dan, is because they are like phoney signposts. Potentially misleading gullible minds…. the people who may  be seeking  genuine answers. Of course I cannot speak for Publion, but suspect  he is motivated by the thought that somebody might be sidetracked by all the baloney. So he  takes out his magnifying glass to highlight the many errors…. of historical fact….. and the outright bigotry. He also seasons his offeriings with the occasional cutting observation. Which, I suspect, really stirs up Mr.JR . But my own view is that modern pitchfork- bearers will never achieve what Emperor Nero ​failed to achieve. He couldn't destroy the Church….  nor will you guys.

    • Dan says:

      It's pretty telling, Malcolm, that publiar's catholic fan club prefers publiar's lies over someone telling you the truth. This is what indoctrination and brainwashing does, Malcolm, after awhile you can't distinguish between what is truth and what is deceit. You've fielded so many lies from "the Church", that when someone offers you the truth, you think it's "baloney". The "baloney" you've been consuming from "the Church" would be closer to head cheese or pigs feet. By the way, the cult is slowly destroying itself and you have none but yourselves to blame.

    • Jim Robertson says:

      Poor old Nero.

      Could he read at night by the torches in his garden?

      Baloney? Prove it baloney. Malcolm you are slipping. Nobody wants to wreak your church. We wouldn't mind if you wreaked it. But that's up to you. It's yours not mine.

      I'm here complaining about your unpunished crimes. Including the FRAUD that is SNAP and every other fake victims groups you've created around the world.

  112. Publion says:

    If I may address the ‘Donald Link’ comment of the 14th at 1240PM:

    While Dave Pierre and I have never discussed these JR murder threats directly, I have not objected to their being allowed up on the site; these comments of JR’s do give readers a picture that they might well never have gotten otherwise.

    I certainly understand and share DL’s own distaste for them.

    But there is an overriding revelatory value to them, I would say, and – without presuming to speak for Dave Pierre – I think he realizes that as well.

  113. Publion says:

    On then to JR’s of the 15th at 1AM:

    This comment of JR’s responds to mine of the 12th at 203PM.

    But – as so often – it raises more questions than JR would truculently presume to answer.

    In JR’s claimed scenario, allegants went to the torties first and it was the torties who then told the allegants to go to the SNAP meetings (to which, presumably, they had not been interested in going to before) and thus that the allegants sought out torties on their own with no help from SNAP.

    Readers may consider the plausibility of that assertion as they may.

    But again: in what ways, then, were such clearly enterprising allegants “controlled by SNAP”? Did the torties tell these allegants to go to SNAP meetings and buy everything they were told or that they heard at those meetings? Or did the torties suggest that mere physical attendance at such meetings would ‘look good’ for the case? (Thus, perhaps, the torties wanted to establish a sympathetic ‘track record’ of allegants as being so damaged and eager for ‘healing’ that they took every advantage – i.e. attending SNAP’s ostensibly therapeutic or ‘recovery’ or ‘support’ meetings.)

    • Jim Robertson says:

      In my case I went to my lawyer first. I had been to one SNAP meeting back East many years before so I knew about SNAP and when my lawyer said go to their meetings here I went. I should have known from the jump something was fraudulent. I asked questions i did my due dilligence. But the cross hatching of "authorities" made me believe they were anything but the church. But BOY was I WRONG. They were the church doing what the church needed to have done. Focus on anything but the victims and first and foremost Never become a class action suit and secondly Never support any recovered memory of abuse. We instead spoke only about protecting Catholic children. So that the church could show how much they were protecting Catholic children NOW.

  114. Publion says:

    On then to JR’s of the 14th at 928PM:

    Here JR tries to continue running his deceptive line of thinking whereby one must merely presume that a) any accusation or allegation made is b) ipso facto to be taken as veracious.

    He also makes reference to the recently-concluded Australian Royal Commission into abuse matters. Although he does not – despite the availability of that Report on the Web – actually make any relevant points about the Report’s contents.

    I also note – again – that last summer’s Aussie brouhaha over the accusations against Cardinal Pell, last seen when the prosecutors promised to quickly turn over their evidence to the defense counsel ,appears to have disappeared, and without any such ‘evidence’ being turned over.

    As I have often said on this site, the more you look closely at so very many of these Catholic abuse cases and assorted forms of litigation or prosecution, the more questionable the whole process seems: the Dutch matter of 2011, the Irish Magdalene brouhaha of a few years later, the Austrian (or German) choirboy matter, and now this Pell matter in Australia, to say nothing of the many USA cases.

    • Jim Robertson says:

      I have a deceptive line of thinking based on the facts of 2 to 8% false claims as stated by the FBI the same FBI your side bought and brought into this story?  Hired former FBI were all over the church's side. Hired hands to really investigate our stories. Retired FBI agents mostly. How much was spent on them? The FBI figures are the same % as the John Jay report estimated?

      I'm saying individual claims against the church are just that ,individual. SNAP the false flag made it look like victims were organized when we were in fact being organized alright but by the church through SNAP.  Look at the outcome. California gets the highest settlements. Fact. What happened to the other 49 states and X # of territories? What did the rest get?

      It's not real victims responsibility if YOU get hit on by fraudsters. You set up the very system that allowed people to abuse and even encouraged it by trying to save priests instead of your own children. This is ALL YOUR problem yet you blame all claiments.

      Where is your morality? Blaming 92% of victims? Fraudsters are the cost of you doing business. Not my problem. Particularly when your church created fraud after fraudulent group to control us.

      Barbra Blaine died of shame. She was used by her church. hailed a heroine by the media as a leader of victims and died in part due to the contradictions between who she really worked for, the church and who the world thought she worked for, us victims

      .

       

  115. Publion says:

    On then to ‘Dan’s of the 14th at 1019PM:

    Here ‘Dan’ tries to rebut or neutralize my ‘surf’ analogy by … rummaging through Scripture for “water” imagery.

    On the basis of which collection he then puffs up his pinfeathers to declaim as to “when will you catholics quit being impressed and puffed up with the ignorance …” and so on. Rather, Catholics are instructed to “listen to God’s Word” (but only as interpreted by ‘Dan’, of course).

    Then – revealing his own fundamental loss-of-boundaries between self and others – ‘Dan’ presumes to decide for God that “your cult is way past any chance of forgiveness …” and so on.

    Oh, and he’s rather satisfied with himself over his “go down with the ship” imagery. That must console him.

  116. Publion says:

    On then to JR’s of the 14th at 908PM, wherein JR himself doth respond to the ‘Donald Link’ comment of the 14th at 1240PM:

    It is notable that JR doesn’t actually blame himself; rather, he now thinks that his “opst shouldn’t have appeared”. As if it were Dave Pierre’s fault for letting it post and not JR’s for having written it in the first place. JR is ever a victim, doncha know?

    Having thus evaded his own actions even with his ‘apologetic’ remorse, JR quickly (and so very slyly) changes the subject to the matter of his own heroic and truthy purposes here.

    For the record, I have certainly not “nailed [JR’s “beliefs”] to the wall”; I have pointed out the problematic elements either within his claims and assertions or in regard to the consequences that they entail and the further questions that they almost always create.

    But JR can’t make a ‘victim’ out of himself merely for having to demonstrate and explicate his claims and assertions; thus he must be “nailed to the wall” to maintain that semblance of victim-y cachet and status.

    • Jim Robertson says:

      Princess. I should never have said it period. Whether I do or not depends on you almost as much as on me. But you can't do it. You can not say anything nice about me. And I felt punked by your lies and in the real world you insult someone long enough and you'll get a poke in the nose.

  117. Publion says:

    Continuing with my comment on JR’s of the 14th at 908PM:

    That he is “Communist and gay” – which, I would say, should the very very least of his concerns – is something that is supposed to nail-down his ‘victim’ status; he’s persecuted for his “beliefs” and his sexual orientation, doncha see? And he’d rather leave his myriad and highly-dubious and problematic claims, assertions and accusations out of it, thank you.

    Oh, and he’s bethumped by those who don’t appreciate “free speech” – heading once again for the victim-y high-ground.

    And so on.

    He’s bethumped – certainly by me – for his myriad and highly-dubious and problematic claims, assertions and accusations. His “beliefs” and the rest are not at issue as far as I’m concerned and he’s welcome to them.

    Thus also the issues raised on this site are hardly well-characterized as some form of ‘conservative vs. liberal’ problem. The issues are, rather, well-reasoned and supported claims and valid questions vs. mere self-serving ranting, insinuation, and accusation.

    Anything else he goes on about in this comment is – to use his one of his own favorite characterizations – merely a “smokescreen” to cover his very problematic stuff.

    • Jim Robertson says:

      What should my concerns be P-liar? I didn't say I was persecuted presently. But I've been before. Oh I forgot the game is that I lie about everything. Remind the readership how awful I am. P. That's what you are here for. Me or anybody else who holds your church responsible for it's crimes will always be wrong here. My question is: why?

      The Left Catholics will pretend to talk about it justly but you guys just deny it ever happened. Afraid the old folks will cut you out of their wills?

    • Dan says:

      We're glad to see that you've finally come to the realization that your "mere self-serving ranting, insinuation[s], and accusation[s]", and let's not forget your compulsive lies, are all issues you're having a problem with. Could you warn us ahead of time when you're going to start "well-reasoned and supported claims and valid questions", it just may be too much shock to our systems. And like Dick says, goddess bless.

  118. Marty says:

    Dan / Jim- I don't know if this makes you happy : an evangelical church in communist China has been demolished for " code violations" , with no notice to the congregation. No pope in that church. Last month, it was a Catholic Church . Is this what you want in the u.s.? To physically destroy it? Maybe the Chinese will build another plastic factory , and you'll support it by buying plastic junk. Maybe they'll start doing it in the u.s. If organized religion is destroyed , what fills the vacuum , organized Marxism , or organized new age religions?

         This is why you are freeloaders off western civ. If you did what you do here , in Saudi Arabia ,you'd have consequences:

    Dan – a Shia who would continually denigrate the majority Sunni , would not be accepted well.

    Jim – a person who continually blasphemed , would be called to task.

     

         

    • Dan says:

      Hey chump! Who you calling a freeloader? I was born in this country and paid taxes for over 40 years of employment and property taxes. We have freedom of speech in this country, and the only ones denying me of my freedom was stupid cults, like yours, with its cowardly ignorant lies and liars. You don't like it here, then go live in Saudi Arabia. Just because a certain people makes a majority doesn't make them right, and the catholic church is a perfect example of that.

    • Jim Robertson says:

      Lol! Blasphemed? Not enough forlock tugging to your beliefs? You'll live.

       

  119. Marty says:

    (Con't) the laws there might suggest prison , or beheading.

    Pax Marty – your "p"c – marty

  120. Jim Robertson says:

    Happy as a P-ig inP-oo.

    One church in Communist China demolished and that effects your freedom in America how?

    I'm not free to be myself or publicly be myself in Russia. I'm still free here and though I support my friends in Russia getting their civil rights. I can't pretend I'm being persecuted here. Gays are far more persecuted than Christians are, everywhere. Let's make a deal.You come out for my people's freedom and I'll come out for yours.

  121. Jim Robertson says:

    "Oh! we are going to talk about me are we? Goody!"

    Yes Catholics would never support murder. Lol! Christians would never support murder.Lol!

    I'm Irish and when my dander is up. It's up.

    I can safely say that I have never ever threatened anyone else with murder in my entire life. I admit I've done this time period with P.

    When I am lied about and insulted and demeaned, unjustly .i see red.

    When communication, questioning and respect are thrown out the door for propaganda that protects rapists. I see red.

    When a critic never has something good to say about you and I mean never. They aren't fair and or they just aren't looking to find any .goodness ever. That's where we are with P.  To what end? Who benefits?

  122. Jim Robertson says:

    Marty your church spent $20,000 000 against equal rights for gays in Calif. And you lost. That 20 million could have built one humdinger of a church.

  123. Jim Robertson says:

    You know I guess I wanted to be banned. I have been edited here before. The powers that be here probably had a phone conference and decided oh let the bastard hang himself. My suicide attempt perhaps. Thought maybe you'd have me arrested and I'd get attention to my Conspiracy facts. It's a fucking drag trying to do right. Mock away McP. It's all you've got.

  124. Jim Robertson says:

    wrecked.  Sorry about the misspells. 

  125. malcolm harris says:

    On the 14th JR said that he was communist and gay. My reaction then was….who cares? But things have happened in Australia that caused me to think about the politics of the gay lobby. The backgound was a national postal vote on the question of same-sex marriage. Both sides of the debate used adverts, to push their respective arguments.  One particular T.V. advert really made the gay lobby angry. A  real and genuine lady doctor publicly said she was against homosexuals marrying… and gave her reasons. The gay lobby went ballistic and demanded she be struck off the medical registry, Saying that she was not fit to practice her profession.  It reminded me of communism, in the old soviet union. If a prominent person publicly questioned the party line he was stripped of status. For example a former respected scientist might find himself sweeping the factory floor.  Yes… by their fruits you will know them.

    • Dan says:

      Yes, and by your fruits we surely have gotten to know the catholic church. Also by their greediness, idolatry, pedophilia, perversions and cowardice lying, we have surely come to know your church. Stop defending them and making excuses for their disgusting sin.

    • Jim Robertson says:

      Well I'm one of your fruits. And everything I've told you is true except for my pretending sarcasticallythat I wasn't abused.

      As far as my being a Communist goes. Indeed and so what? And  big so what to your judgments on both. You've been wrong about gay people. You could be just as wrong about Communism. There are many brands and God knows Capitalism has never killed anyone.

  126. Publion says:

    On then to JR’s of the 16th at 819PM, where JR merely promises me that he will “answer your lies below”.  Readers may then consult JR’s subsequent comments in this batch and see if that be true.

    On then to JR’s of the 16th at 811PM:

    Here JR recites a story that corresponds to one of the possibilities I had mentioned, i.e. that he went to the tortie first and the tortie had “said to go to [SNAP] meetings”.

    But JR had already gone to a single SNAP meeting “many years before” “so [he] knew about SNAP”.

    But JR then bleats that he “should have known” about SNAP (but he was a ‘victim’ of some skullduggery – doncha see? – that somehow had pulled the wool over his eyes and so he didn’t see that “something was fraudulent”).

    As to what “questions” he asked and what “due diligence” he performed – especially in light of his current claims and story … readers may judge as they will.

  127. Publion says:

    Continuing with my comment on JR’s of the 16th at 811PM:

    But then we suddenly pass from what might be taken as ‘history’ to – via a sly and deceptive leap – a mere repetition of his favorite theory, i.e. that SNAP and the torties were all merely tools of the Church arrayed purposely to confuse, deceive, and defraud him of his rightful cash.

    But – quickly donning the Wig of Youthful Innocence – he intones that – gosh and golly-gee – “Boy, was I wrong”. The all-American kid – doncha see? – was taken to the cleaners by an evil cabal run by the Church. (And yet he corralled a cool million somehow, though the SNAP-tortie cabal – the horror! – wound up taking 40 percent or so of it for fees and costs.)

  128. Publion says:

    Continuing with my comment on JR’s of the 16th at 811PM:

    And just what other “focus” beyond the swag did JR seek when he went to the torties to get himself a slice of the 500-plus-plaintiff LA settlement of a dozen years ago? He now bleats about the Church demonstrating “how much they were protecting children now” (scare-caps omitted). Readers may consider if the Church has not demonstrated “now” one of the most stringent protection-regimens on the planet.

    As to why the torties didn’t think it wise to go the class-action-suit route: it could certainly have seemed prudent to the torties not to run the risk of exposing too much of the allegants’ stories and mindsets in any extensive publicity that might – the real horror – slip out of control and screw up the Innocence-vs-Evil meme upon which the Stampede settlements strategy sought to a) keep up public appearances and b) hide what was really just a fresh running of the old ‘sue bigly and settle out of court bigly’ tortie strategy.

  129. Publion says:

    On then to JR’s of the 17th at 526PM:

    Once again, JR merely repeats his FBI claim again, ignoring the various problems with it as pointed out in prior posts.

    And once again he somehow tries to insinuate i) the presence of “former FBI”. But didn’t they once work for the very same FBI upon whose figures JR would have us rely here?

    And ii) that somehow these “former FBI” were merely “hired hands” of the Church.”Hired” for what purpose? To somehow derail or deflate the allegants’ stories? But what if many stories (as Federal Judge Schilz noted) did come apart under close investigation (think of JR’s own ‘story’ in its myriad evolutions and how it has fared under even modest examination here).

    Readers may note the grammatically-nonsensical final sentence of the first paragraph, appearing to make an indicative statement but then ending with a question-mark.

  130. Publion says:

    Continuing with my comment on JR’s of the 17th at 526PM:

    And then the second paragraph merely repeats JR’s preferred cartoon theory: that while the allegants were “individual’, they were organized by a SNAP (and torties) in cahoots with the master-minding Church.

    In support of which we have the utter non-sequitur of his introducing the size of the California settlements (perhaps he means the big LA case of a dozen years ago, into which he managed to get his oar, for a million-dollar payday). What precisely is the relevance of the CA size-of-settlements point here?

    “What did the rest get?”. The overall U.S. settlements total is said to be – conservatively – 3 billion dollars and as noted on a recent prior thread, the figure put forward by the liberal National Catholic Reporter may actually be closer to 4 billion dollars. (I think the NCR’s stratagem here is to presume that if so much money came through the settlements then … the allegations just must have been hugely veracious.)

  131. Publion says:

    Continuing with my comment on JR’s of the 17th at 526PM:

    Thus – and had you been waitttinggggggggg forrrrrrrrrrr ittttttttttttttttt? – JR then claims in his third paragraph that it’s not “real victims responsibility” (note the sly inclusion of himself among the “real”) because they were “hit on by fraudsters”, i.e. – but of course – the Church-run SNAP-tortie cabal.

    They were just ‘victims’ – doncha see? – of a cabal while they were trying to get some money they very much thought they might like to have on the basis of claims and accusations they weren’t really too keen on having examined too closely.

    Neato: one gets the cash for claiming to be a ‘victim’ while also keeping the moral high-ground because it’s not one’s fault that one had to lodge the accusations and claims in the first place. This sounds rather too much like the old bank-robber defense: it’s not the bank-robber’s fault if society went and put all that nice and easy cash in a place where it could be grabbed; blame society for putting the money there in the first place.

  132. Publion says:

    Continuing with my comment on JR’s of the 17th at 526PM:

    On the basis of the foregoing, JR then puffs up the old pinfeathers and belts out the aria ‘Where Is Your Morality?’. After which he instantly – had you been waitttingggg forr itttttt? – exonerates himself in the aria ‘It’s Not My Problem’ (because – doncha see? – the Church assembled and ran the whole SNAP-tortie  cabal to begin with … and toss in the FBI too, sort of).

    He then tries to shoe-horn the recent death of former SNAP honchita Barbara Blaine: she “died of shame” – doncha see? – when she realized how she had been hoodwinked by the Church. But – as we saw here at great length quite a while back – she knew exactly what she was getting into when she signed up with Jeff Anderson after their coffee klatsch meeting in early 1988.

    It took almost 30 years for her to realize … ? I would say that after almost 30 years too much was starting to come into the light (through the Father Jiang case) and there was now no way to explain it all away.

  133. Publion says:

    On then to JR’s of the 16th at 758PM:

    Here JR now says he “should never have said it” (i.e. the murder threats).

    But wait. There’s more.

    In a marvelous demonstration of his real self, JR instantly proceeds to blame me “almost as much as himself” … because, apparently, I “can not say anything nice about” him and he felt I do “insult” him and he “felt punked” – doncha see? Thus I was so very rightfully punished with “a poke in the nose”. (And are we not here instantly transported back to the mental world of the back tables in a high-school cafeteria?)

    Whether JR is possessed of a deep inner ‘punk’ to begin with is a consideration I will leave to the readership.

  134. Publion says:

    On then to JR’s of the 16th at 753PM:

    Here he belts out more in the aria line, this time about what he’s supposed to do about “the game” that presumes he doth “lie about everything”.

    I don’t presume anything; I point out the myriad significant problems with his assorted claims, assertions, accusations, insinuations and so forth. Is JR under the impression that his preferred vision or version of himself remains intact in the light of those problems? Is he under the impression that his preferred vision or version of himself should remain intact in the light of those problems?

    I “remind” readers of nothing. JR’s own material does the ‘reminding’, to use his term.  But his use of the term “remind” is itself a giveaway: this verb presumes the reality and simply denotes the process of calling the reality back into awareness.

    And it is far too generous a self-characterization (serving JR’s preferred version or vision of himself) to say that he merely “holds you church responsible” and so forth. Given the notable unreliability of his claims and accusations and insinuations, then he is doing no such thing; he is merely trying to make the Church responsible for a fever-vision that has never actually been demonstrated, in order to bolster his own preferred vision and version of his own actions and self. It’s his shtick.

  135. Publion says:

    On then to JR’s of the 16th at 745PM:

    Here JR further demonstrates – with a fetching clarity – how his mind works: if we are going to talk about “murder” then don’t look at JR; just look at “Catholics” and “Christians”.

    Then, to smooth his already-selected path, he pre-emptively lays the following smokescreen: he’s “Irish” – doncha see? – and now “his dander is up”.

    We might expect some sort of “Irish” performance, chewing the scenery and breaking the crockery and such.

    But no. Suddenly we are confronted with the Wig of Sober Assessment: he “can safely say” – if he does say so himself – that he hath “never ever threatened anyone else with murder” (italics mine). Noooo, not in his “entire life”.

    Readers may assess the reliability of this honking bleat as they will.

  136. Publion says:

    Continuing with my comment on JR’s of the 16th at 745PM:

    He has, regular readers may recall, done it in regard to me on several occasions here. But he’s a victim – doncha see, of course? – because he hath been “lied about and insulted and demeaned, unjustly” (sounds like ‘Dan’ – does he not? – although ‘Dan’ slyly formulates his threats such that God will do the actual dirty work).

    Thus – and here, finally, the “Irish” bit is given play – JR doth “see red”. But that’s not his fault; he’s Irish, doncha see?

    As to what, among other things, has been “unjustly” said concerning his stuff … readers may consider as they will.

    But JR – the Wig of Sweet Reason now suddenly plopped atop his poor “Irish” head – is all about “communication, questioning and respect” … doncha know? Readers may consult his archived oeuvre here and consider as they will.

    • Dan says:

      "God will do the actual dirty work", because as a True Christian we're not allowed to seek revenge, and with your disgusting cult of lying deceiving hypocrites, He apparently is going to have alot of dirty work to take care of. I believe he's capable and up to the task.

      Never take your own revenge, beloved, but leave room for the wrath of God, for it is written, "VENGEANCE IS MINE, I WILL REPAY," says the Lord. Romans 12:19

      By the way, those are not my scream caps but His. Good luck to all you greedy, idolaters, cowards, sexual perverts, liars and creeps.  servant of the Lord

  137. Publion says:

    Continuing with my comment on JR’s of the 16th at 745PM:

    I “never [have] some good to say about  [him]” … as he bleats here.  This site isn’t a personality contest (one thinks of the old TV show ‘Queen for a Day’). I have pointed out at great length the problems with his stuff, his efforts to further explain (when he isn’t simply ranting) that create even more problems, and all of it creates the problems with his material that I have pointed out at length.

    And – as I have said – JR provides an invaluable service to readers here: we get to see a side of the Stampede and its assorted players that the media have always studiously avoided.

    And he tries to bring it all home with the idea that if X’s material never gets anything good said about it, then that can only mean that X is being unfairly handled (and, of course, thereby victimized).

    No, it might simply mean that X really doesn’t put up much reliably good material. But that alternative wouldn’t feed JR’s preferred version and vision of himself; so he’d rather think – conveniently – that he was being unfairly victimized. And that must console him.

  138. Publion says:

    On then to JR’s of the 16th at 1130PM:

    One can only infer that at some point some part of JR’s comments did not make the moderator’s cut for posting onto the site.

    He is thus victimized, as he sees it. And in support of that self-serving conclusion he riffs further on with dark visions of a “phone conference” that “decided … to let [JR] hang himself”.

    DP is the sole administrator of this site and rightly needs to confer with no one as to what comment material does and does not get posted on the site. And I certainly play no role in such decisions, by phone or in any other way.

    But if JR fails, then he must automatically conclude that it is somebody else’ fault, and the work of dark and sinister forces. And this may well have been what those long-ago high-school administrators realized as well.

    But he is on to one very useful insight – though I doubt he realizes it: he will “hang himself” through what he reveals in comments and in terms of credibility; it’s his own material that undermines his preferred version and vision of himself.

  139. Jim Robertson says:

    What a living piece of shit you truly are.

    I take responsibility for my actions.

    Something you never do.

    Oh really? Does it?  Does my version and vision of myself differ so much from reality? Your reality perhaps as if you are above the fray. Is that what religion gives you a seat to look down from and judge and lie about other people? Wow! How loving.  Would you want to be a "Christian" like that if you weren't born into it. What would you say about it if you were on the outside looking in? Would you swallow all the crap if you hadn't been born into it?

     Poor P! What do you do besides slandering others?  Do you even have a self?  asking for a friend.

  140. Jim Robertson says:

    My deal ass wipe if I fail I fail. I have no need to blame others.

    I so rarely fail.

    I blame my molestor. for what he did. I blame his superior for transferring him. They and you are the ones who blame others for your deeds. You are here denying the responsibility demanded by your criminal deeds. Your lying description of me and my life and what happened to me is only to protect something in your life. The church's money or reputation is all you care about so you invent liars where there are none. Why else would you behave so badly?

    You are honestly the most immoral human being i have ever encountered. You discredit everyone but you.

    Where as if you were truly moral you wouldn't be behaving in this absurd manner.

    Who do you think you're fooling?

    You are the only liar here. And you'll pay for that someday maybe. Maybe. Life aint fair.

    You might just get off scot free for your lies.

    Which would prove that there is no God of Justice or Love for sure.

  141. Jim Robertson says:

    Dan I did not know God wrote in English and used caps. What a guy huh?

    Just joking Dan. I know you take this Bible stuff seriously.

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