Comments on: Another Clear Example of How SNAP Misleads the Public

By: jim robertson

jim robertson — Sun, 23 Dec 2012 20:05:45 +0000

P.P.S. SNAP sent out it's initial leadership packets with a return address of a convent that,to this day is Church owned property. How do you like those facts?

By: jim robertson

jim robertson — Sun, 23 Dec 2012 20:00:28 +0000

Ahhhh! The pick up then the let down.

Now I and the other victims who've sussed SNAP, are the fantasists.i.e.. "Area 51". That victims are never asked for input isn't "hard evidence" enough? In a "movement", as SNAP refers to itself, no democracy isn't enough to at least start you asking deeper questions? Evidently not. And if you've never been a "bully" I'd hate to meet someone you'd think was one. Calling me a " tortured soul" in your frame of reference is what? Emotional support? Not another "ad hominum"? After months of me ,and lately others, posting here. Now you believe that poor" tortured soul" me actually believes what I've said. Absolutely amazing!

P.S. SNAP's founding non profit papers were from the Sinsinawa Dominican order. (Posted at Victims of Silence) Tom Doyle is the former top Canon lawyer for the Vatican Embsassy in the U.S.and a Dominican priest.

Leopards appointed Canon lawyers for the Vatican Embassy under JPII don't, contrary to the SNAP myth, change their spots.

By: Delphin

Delphin — Sun, 23 Dec 2012 13:01:16 +0000

Until you have hard evidence, yours is just another fantastic conspiracy theory. I agree there are political battles internal to the Church heirarchy, but to take it to the degree that you and your cohorts attempt, is asking too much of the logical mind – you're into Area 51 stuff. Starting from the "evidence" line of the "Pudding", a similarly outrageous claim could be made of you. But, I am actually starting to believe that you believe your theory.

So, for my NY resolution, I will no longer "focus" on your posts, I think you are a tortured soul and I have never been a bully. Merry Christmas to you and your family. I pray for peace and healing for you.

By: jim robertson

jim robertson — Sat, 22 Dec 2012 18:27:58 +0000

First and this is coming from an Athiest, your Church can never be taken down; because you can't be taken down. This particular power elite out of Missouri and Chicago (Cardinal George, I believe) think they are protecting the Church's wealth which means more to them than the Church's people harmed. And that's why Doyle SNAP and VOTF are like a fire break between the injured and compensation due. They are the attempt to remain a primere financial power because those dolts think financial power is where the Church's true power lies. WRONG it lies in you and your children. It always has and always will. Think of the Mystical Body of Christ that (through the Sacraments) you are a part of. Jesus and the truth are your strength. With them on your side, you have it all.

By: jim robertson

jim robertson — Sat, 22 Dec 2012 18:10:39 +0000

Bingo! you're getting it. My posting here, and other places, is publishing it, in my opinion. Doyle himself wrote in his presentation to the Bishops that the committees the Bishops would found, ie SNAP and VOTF being so obviously those "comittees", must be kept highly secret or that would cause an even bigger scandal than the abuse and coverup itself. Nobody wants to believe that they are capable of being conned (even though we all can be). That's why it's one thousand times harder at getting this con job sussed. You haven't experienced what we have re SNAP so how would you know who they really are? I'm not blaming you for not knowing. I just wanted you to know.
Now how to be "part of the solution" If every thing Kay, Rich and I have said about SNAP is true (and it most certainly is.) The question is how can you and we fix this mess, together?
The proof I have, is in the pudding. The actions of SNAP and VOTF belie the, to quote you: "Yada yada". of those "committees". ( Just because you follow a more conservative line than say the membership of VOTF doesn't mean either of you are less moral than the other.) I know you haven't "converted" to my side. But at least (Thank God! and you) you're thinking. Thank you.

By: Delphin

Delphin — Sat, 22 Dec 2012 14:14:22 +0000

I'm not getting the reason or benefit to the Church (or even individuals) for the higher ups/"power elite" conspiring to take down the Church.
Re: your points of Catholic traitors, and you name quite a few, just as there are traitors within the family, industry, and our nation, you will, alas, find them in (all) our Church's, too. Traitors goals are always self-serving, never designed to benefit the target. If there's an internal war for power being waged, and your point is SNAP is but a weapon of one faction, that does not make an institutional, heirarchical scandal- but, that does make a nasty internal battle that is thoroughly unCatholic and it wouldn't be the first time some (usually minor and shortlived) elements of the Church participated in unCatholic behavior. But, after all, it is comprised of merely us human sinners.
The fact is that SNAP has worked to damage the Church – that is undeniable. The Good News is that it didn't, and it may be actually having the counter-effect of bringing some lost sheep back into the fold. Just as you will discover "new" patriots and repatriots when your home nation is attacked, you will also find reconverts and new converts when your birth or nacent religion is attacked.
If you think you have proof of your claims, why aren't you providing it? It would serve your own purpose (justice, forgiveness?), as well as the Church's true mission to take your theory/argument to the next level. You claim to have a load of insider SNAP info and certainly are not shy about floating a few to-date unstrung theories, why don't you pull it all together, cohesively and publish it?
"If you're not part of the solution……"

By: jim robertson

jim robertson — Sat, 22 Dec 2012 05:18:16 +0000

That's absolutely right. Your own hierarchy is who's attacking your Church and your faith; not the victims.

By: jim robertson

jim robertson — Sat, 22 Dec 2012 00:10:47 +0000

And it's not the powerless people of faith in the Church that conspired. it's the higher ups who chose this policy of counter intelligence: attacking the Church. All the while verbally pretending it's not attacking the church.. And now SNAP does it's tricks internationally

By: jim robertson

jim robertson — Sat, 22 Dec 2012 00:00:38 +0000

Here's a little story about damage control. A"counter intelligence" effort by the U.S. Government in the 1960's with the anti war movement was exposed in the Church report , Church in this case being a U.S. Congress person. The job of "counter intelligence. Is to appear as if one thing: a "radical" Black Panther for example. When in fact that person is an agent for the government. An agent not only who informs but acts to control any thing the government wants controlled. If the agent can.
There is also the concept of agent provaceteurs. Creating problems that benefit the opposition while posing as a commited member of that opposition.
Then we have you vs. SNAP and SNAP vs. the Church.
Why would SNAP hold no elections of it's officers by it's "12,000" plus membership? Too busy for democracy?
Who creates SNAP political policies: Why they behave the way they do.? If there are no elections, how exactly does SNAP decide what's good PR for victims compared to bad PR for victims and who decides which and again why?
The victims i have met over the past 10 yrs plus are on the whole no longer Catholic (empatheticly you might understand why.) Yet here's Barbara Blaine and Fr. Tom Doyle not only still Catholic but the prior with a Masters and Batchelors degrees masters in Divinity from two midwestern Catholic universities and the latter, Fr Doyle who states he has no connection to the Catholic church yet supposedly earned his pension and ranking from the U.S.Airforce as a Catholic chaplain. Curiouser and curiouser. Especially since in Doyle's case no other priests have stood up in America as a defender of victims and our needs. So odd, so odd in fact that both Blaine and Doyle appear regularly in other countries where not one other heroic priest as sacrificed himself and his career, the way Doyle supposedly has for "Survivors" Not victims but survivors. mmmm.
A few years ago I saw the obituary for Barbara Blaine's mother. This woman was head of numerous Catholic womens and other Catholic organizations in Chicago. It was and is extraordinary. And then we have Clohessy's rise to SNAP just as his twin brother managed to avoid jail (somehow).
Now since the majority of victims I've met are no longer Catholic? How do explain the odds mathmatically of the 2 leaders of SNAP not only recieving their degrees from Catholic institutions but still active Catholics when the rest of us victims arn't?
Jesus said " Judge them by their actions" If you look at SNAP's actions..well you are all p.o.'d at them does that appear like an effective use of P.R. to you? Believe me it doesn't from our side either.

By: Delphin

Delphin — Fri, 21 Dec 2012 14:32:57 +0000

Yep, SNAPs failures are becasue they ARE the Catholic Church, not because they are antiCatholic, lying, sewer-trawling, mercenary exploiters.
I wish we all could be so insightful as some TMR contributors and just stop with all the annoying evidence to the contrary.
The Church conspired to abuse children (incl infants and toddlers, I am sure), then they conspired to cover it all up and now one of their media organs is revictimizing so that the Church can continue in it's shadow mission to provide an endless supply of "chickens" for the Church "chicken-hawks". After all, there is so much money in that end of their business, because as you know, they are all about money and power and world domination. Well, at least, right after they have their insatiable world flesh appetites quenched. And, they won't let women into their "clubhouse", because, as you also know and has been proven, the girls will be the "stool pigeons" and blow the whistle on the whole sordid maghilla.
Yep, it all makes perfect sense to me- I am a convert!